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Post by kornbo2 on May 28, 2011 18:04:19 GMT 10
Hi All, Just want to share the pic of my opaline pair... not yet proven though... Pied PF split Opaline Cock x Opaline PF Female Attachments:
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Post by kornbo2 on May 28, 2011 18:05:17 GMT 10
pied normal pf split opaline... Attachments:
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Post by avinet on May 29, 2011 9:59:04 GMT 10
Nice pair of birds Kornbo2 - looking in good condition
For those who are not familiar, the opaline Peachface hen is the one on the left of the pair - they have much more red on the head compared to the normal cock on the right, a green instead of blue rump area and orange-red markings on the outside tail feathers. A very pretty bird.
Just a question - why do you call the cock a pied? I don't see any yellow flight or tail feathers, just one very small part yellow feather on the right shoulder - I wouldn't have thought that alone was sufficient to call the bird a pied.
Hope they breed for you before long - should get some nice babies out of them
cheers,
Mike
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Post by kornbo2 on May 29, 2011 10:30:59 GMT 10
you are right.. doesn't look like a pied.. but that single spot of yellow feather will consider the bird pied... the breeder who I got this from agrees that it was a pied... so I'm expecting pied opalines from these pairing.... I had birds before that doesn't look like a pied, but when I had pied babies, close inspection of the birds you will see a single spot of yellowish feather... thanks for the comment... Nice pair of birds Kornbo2 - looking in good condition For those who are not familiar, the opaline Peachface hen is the one on the left of the pair - they have much more red on the head compared to the normal cock on the right, a green instead of blue rump area and orange-red markings on the outside tail feathers. A very pretty bird. Just a question - why do you call the cock a pied? I don't see any yellow flight or tail feathers, just one very small part yellow feather on the right shoulder - I wouldn't have thought that alone was sufficient to call the bird a pied. Hope they breed for you before long - should get some nice babies out of them cheers, Mike |
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Post by avinet on May 29, 2011 11:42:21 GMT 10
you are right.. doesn't look like a pied.. but that single spot of yellow feather will consider the bird pied... the breeder who I got this from agrees that it was a pied... so I'm expecting pied opalines from these pairing.... I had birds before that doesn't look like a pied, but when I had pied babies, close inspection of the birds you will see a single spot of yellowish feather... Pied is a recessive gene so, if the hen is not split to pied, you will not get any pied babies. If she is split to pied then 50% of the babies could be pied. As it stands, if the cock is split opaline then 50% of babies will be opaline. I would always caution about assuming a bird is a pied from a single feather. There are a variety of reasons a single feather could be yellow - only one of which is that it has a pied gene. A simple test if it is a pied gene causing the yellow feather is to pluck that feather out - if it grows back with yellow then it is likely genetic - if it grows back all green then it was some sort of metabolic problem when that particular feather was growing. cheers, Mike |
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Post by kornbo2 on May 29, 2011 15:30:56 GMT 10
as far as I know, pied is a dominant trait... so you only need one visual to produce visual babies.... t yep, I agree the yellow spot can be an indication of something else, but based on my experience it is usually pied... if its something else, i would expect the spot to get bigger or smaller, or even disappear after a while.... so right now, nothing i can do but to wait for the babies and hopefully there will be pied babies... you are right.. doesn't look like a pied.. but that single spot of yellow feather will consider the bird pied... the breeder who I got this from agrees that it was a pied... so I'm expecting pied opalines from these pairing.... I had birds before that doesn't look like a pied, but when I had pied babies, close inspection of the birds you will see a single spot of yellowish feather... Pied is a recessive gene so, if the hen is not split to pied, you will not get any pied babies. If she is split to pied then 50% of the babies could be pied. As it stands, if the cock is split opaline then 50% of babies will be opaline. I would always caution about assuming a bird is a pied from a single feather. There are a variety of reasons a single feather could be yellow - only one of which is that it has a pied gene. A simple test if it is a pied gene causing the yellow feather is to pluck that feather out - if it grows back with yellow then it is likely genetic - if it grows back all green then it was some sort of metabolic problem when that particular feather was growing. cheers, Mike |
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Post by Ali on May 29, 2011 19:33:45 GMT 10
Lovely birds, will be nice to see bubs when they hatch  |
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Post by avinet on May 29, 2011 21:09:58 GMT 10
There are two pied mutations in Peachfaces. The recessive pied was first bred in Australia in 1968 by a Mr Fisk in Sydney and has usually been known as the Australian Pied. The dominant pied was first bred in 1965 in the USA and has been called the American Pied.
A characteristic of both mutations is that the red mask tends to be smaller and the dominant pied retains the blue rump while the recessive pied tends to lose the blue rump which becomes yellowish-green. I can see your bird has a blue rump so on that basis, if it is a pied, is likely to be the dominant pied.
However I am still reluctant to base much on a single feather - breeding results will show if it is a dominant pied. Hope they breed this spring for you and we look forward to pictures!
cheers,
Mike
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Post by kornbo2 on May 29, 2011 21:23:36 GMT 10
yep, mine is not a dark eyed cleared which you are referring to as the recessive pied... very rare mutation... bird will almost be yellow if it is an australian pied... mine is the american pied which is the dominant one... yep, i still need to breed them to see if it is a dominant pied.. but I'm 99% that its the case coz I have had birds like these before.. that's why I bought it from the breeder.... will let you know... There are two pied mutations in Peachfaces. The recessive pied was first bred in Australia in 1968 by a Mr Fisk in Sydney and has usually been known as the Australian Pied. The dominant pied was first bred in 1965 in the USA and has been called the American Pied. A characteristic of both mutations is that the red mask tends to be smaller and the dominant pied retains the blue rump while the recessive pied tends to lose the blue rump which becomes yellowish-green. I can see your bird has a blue rump so on that basis, if it is a pied, is likely to be the dominant pied. However I am still reluctant to base much on a single feather - breeding results will show if it is a dominant pied. Hope they breed this spring for you and we look forward to pictures! cheers, Mike |
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Post by kornbo2 on Jun 13, 2011 14:25:43 GMT 10
saw my pair of lb mating today... just wondering, its my first time to breed here in australia... and I heard september is the breeding season... is this normal? can the eggs survive the cold weather?
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Post by avinet on Jun 13, 2011 21:30:00 GMT 10
Nice to hear they want to breed. Lovebirds can breed any time of the year,but spring is the peak time. Temperature shouldn't be a problem if the hen is a good parent and sits tight. However it might depend on where you live - and whether they are housed inside or out. If you are in Victoria or Tassie and they are outside it might be an issue. Not much you can do about it - I always tend to let them do what they want and see how it develops.
cheers.
Mike
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Post by kornbo2 on Jun 14, 2011 18:42:13 GMT 10
thanks mike.. i live in a 3rd floor sydney apartment... i guess I just need to wait and see... i will let you know of the breeding outcome of this pair... they are not proven so they can be both female or both male... good thing is the one which I think is the male was on top of the female... also female is always going inside the nestbox as compared to the male.... Nice to hear they want to breed. Lovebirds can breed any time of the year,but spring is the peak time. Temperature shouldn't be a problem if the hen is a good parent and sits tight. However it might depend on where you live - and whether they are housed inside or out. If you are in Victoria or Tassie and they are outside it might be an issue. Not much you can do about it - I always tend to let them do what they want and see how it develops. cheers. Mike |
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Post by avinet on Jun 14, 2011 19:42:29 GMT 10
Sydney 3rd floor apartment is not going to be an issue - they should have no problems apart from their own inexperience
good luck
Mike
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Post by kornbo2 on Jun 18, 2011 22:45:01 GMT 10
hi avinet, do you give your lovebirds supplements like calcivet, breeding aid or probiotic? thanks
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Post by avinet on Jun 19, 2011 21:16:00 GMT 10
hi avinet, do you give your lovebirds supplements like calcivet, breeding aid or probiotic? thanks Hi, I don't have any lovebirds at present - correction, I have three but they are very much in the retirement class and definitely not breeding. I am not a big believer in supplements - if a bird is getting a good balanced diet then I don't think much is needed. If they are getting pellets and fruit/veggies then all I would maybe add is a little calcium a couple of times a week to drinking water as they are getting into breeding time, and calcivet is as good as any to use, especially for inside birds which need extra vitamin D3. If birds are in an outside aviary exposed to the sun I would use a calcium supplement that doesn't contain D3. If the birds are on a seed and fresh food diet then perhaps I would give some vitamins in the drinking water a couple of times a week, as a safety net really, since the veggies the bird actually east may not provide a balanced intake. And calcium, as stated before. I have never used the Vetafarm Breeding Aid - I have always thought it to largely sales hype of little real value if a bird is getting a good diet. Similarly with their Probiotic - if I wanted to give a bird probiotics I buy human grade stuff from a health food shop, and I only use it with a sick bird recovering from oral antibiotic treatment. A healthy bird will have plenty of the right bacteria in it's gut without needing probiotics with little proven usefulness. cheers, Mike |
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Post by kornbo2 on Aug 13, 2011 11:53:03 GMT 10
I think I have two male birds... they have been together for 3 months already with a nest box but still no eggs.. I saw them mating already so that made me think they are both male... anyway, I swapped the other one with a cinnamon one... is this an opaline cinnamon? Attachments:
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Post by kornbo2 on Sept 4, 2011 9:21:02 GMT 10
my pair of albs just laid an egg yesterday....
normal green opaline cock x normal OF...
will have opaline and split opalines/OF babies...
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