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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 13:49:15 GMT 10
Is it possible for a young albino ringneck to turn into a pale yellow or creamino?
Or has she just been bathing in their medicated water (which is yellow) ?
Probably the latter but just thought I'd ask ;D
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Post by avinet on Jun 30, 2011 21:42:01 GMT 10
Is it possible for a young albino ringneck to turn into a pale yellow or creamino? Or has she just been bathing in their medicated water (which is yellow) ? Probably the latter but just thought I'd ask ;D Probably the latter - if she is a true albino. cheers, Mike |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 22:08:09 GMT 10
Thought so....  But still...I am now interested...what is a true albino and what isn't? One bird seller said something similar to me, when we were having a chat about an "assumed" albino irn male. He said that even though a he may be a white irn, he may not be a true albino so he was still going to get his ring. Is that true, Mike? If so, what colour ring would that be...like in a green irn or a lutino irn? Or just a pink ring? Also, if they are not true albino...what "mutation" are they then? |
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Post by avinet on Jun 30, 2011 22:51:44 GMT 10
An albino in parrots is not the same as an albino mutation in, for instance, humans. In humans, and I think other mammals, an albino occurs as a result of a genetic mutation that removes melanin from the body. In parrots an albino is the result of two separate genetic mutations which when combined, result in a white bird.
It all happens because a green parrot does not have green feathers. Instead the feathers are a combination of blue and yellow colours, which when combined give a green appearance. Just the same as when you mix blue and yellow paint to get green paint.
So, using ringnecks as our typical parrot - a yellow bird occurs when a genetic mutation takes away the ability of the bird to produce the blue colour in the feather and a blue bird occurs when a different mutation takes away the ability to produce the yellow colour.
When these two mutations occur in the same bird one mutation takes out the blue and the other mutation takes out the yellow, so you are left with a white bird which really should be called a white ringneck (or more accurately a blue ino) but by popular usage is called an albino.
An "albino" will always be pure white with no neck ring. However there are some mutations that can give a near white bird.
I have seen some creaminos which are so light as a young bird to be possibly mistaken as an albino - just a very, very pale yellow tinge which gets stronger with moults at one and two years. The males will get a light pink and white ring.
I have also seen what has been called a pallidino grey - a combination of lutino, lacewing blue and grey-green which results in males only with a very light grey wash and a pale grey ring. Very rare in Australia
Finally there is a Dilute Grey colour - I haven't heard of it in Australia, just in Europe - which is described as a white bird with a grey haze, so it would look like a slightly dirty albino.
If your bird has suddenly gone yellow then it is the water, if it has been gradually getting yellowish then maybe it is a pale creamino and not an albino.
cheers,
Mike
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 23:23:29 GMT 10
Thanks Mike! Heaps to take in! Awesome info!
This post should probably be moved to the ringneck section!!
Wow I had no idea there were such varieties re whites!! That pallidino grey, sounds awesome!
Thanks HEAPS for this, Mike!
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Post by meandem on Jul 3, 2011 10:19:34 GMT 10
Always interesting reading from you Mike. Thanks  My male albino ringneck doesn't have the ring, but we sure know he is male! |
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Post by Robyn on Jul 3, 2011 10:33:40 GMT 10
Anything is possible. Have a look at this.
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Post by avinet on Jul 3, 2011 14:19:30 GMT 10
Anything is possible. Have a look at this. Before anyone gets excited about a blue Sulphur-crested Cockatoo - it is a fake. some photos have been Photo Shopped. Notice it is only still photos - a movie would be too hard to change the colour on. The guy has a history of fake YouTube postings - an orange Kookaburra included amongst them. It is genetically impossible for a cockatoo to produce blue feathers. cheers, Mike |
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Post by Robyn on Jul 3, 2011 15:58:55 GMT 10
PMSLOL. I knew it was a fake. Mike now you have spoilt my fun. Oh well it was good while it lasted. Not only that Mike there has never been a mutation SR Too, not to my knowledge anyway. I would think it would be hard for a white bird to be any other colour than white. |
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Post by avinet on Jul 3, 2011 19:56:49 GMT 10
Not only that Mike there has never been a mutation SR Too, not to my knowledge anyway. I would think it would be hard for a white bird to be any other colour than white. OOPS - sorry to spoil the fun  Actually I know of two mutations of the SC2's. The first is a lutino that was reported by Stan Sindel, which only has the effect of turning the eyes red, and the beak and nails a pale cream, the crest remaining yellow. The second was a genetically blue equivalent mutation which took out the yellow crest leaving a white crest and an all white bird. It was reported on Terry Martin's Genetics-Psittacine email group. cheers Mike |
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Post by Robyn on Jul 4, 2011 6:19:45 GMT 10
Mike are there any pics around of these birds.??
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Post by avinet on Jul 4, 2011 10:09:54 GMT 10
I have a photo of the white Sulphur that was posted to the Genetics-Psittacine group,  Also I am including a link to a yellow cockatoo - www.dailytelegraph.com.au/yellow-cockatoo-causes-a-sensation-in-sydney/story-e6frf0kr-1111116314482 - very obviously it is a wild bird that is suffering from advanced liver disease as a result of Beak & Feather Disease. Poor feather quality and black shiny beak. Liver damage results in a jaundice like yellowing of the feathers, and this bird would not have had much of life left to it. There was a video link in the original story but that link has disappeared. cheers, Mike |
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Post by Robyn on Jul 4, 2011 12:44:16 GMT 10
I looked at the link before i read the rest of your post & thought the bird didn't look that healthy.
You are a wealth of information Mike, thanks so much for sharing those pics. I really love the all white cocky.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 11:50:32 GMT 10
Well thankyou all very much for spoiling my fun. After I saw Robyn's link, I nearly had a heart attack and had to post the vid onto my facebook straight away (which I deleted now, so I look less the fool) ......only to read below from Mike, that it was all fake! Mike, you're a dream spoiler!  .... ;D So you guys are telling me, there's no chance of me getting a blue cockatoo!? That just sux...I love blue birds the best! PS. Sorry for my late response to this thread, dill me forgot to bookmark it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 11:54:20 GMT 10
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.... ;D
