What will they be?

[josiedownunda]

Don't take too long a holiday Frank.....us girls are more prone to blonde days than you and we need you on hand to correct us when we get all confused!LOL
Jo-Anne

[hillcresttiels]

ROTFPML Might be time for Huggies oops ;D ;D Jo-Anne you crack me up ;D

Frank

[josiedownunda]

Frank i have a question! The baby you call a pied is he possibly only split pied? The mum has no obvious pied patches indicating she is split pied so could it possibly be just a heavy marked split? Why I ask is One of my pastelface is being called a pied but I am positive his mother had no pied at all and so he is only split. I still have trouble working out what is technically a pied in these cases and which is only a split with very distinct markings.
Here is a pic of my 'pied'.

Jo-Anne

[hillcresttiels]

Hi Jo-Anne a quick look at Laraines' baby tiels and the pied factor is evident but light as youwill see yellow flights and crest feathers splits would have dark flights as is your baby a very Light pied note yellow flights and crest.(Even one light toe nail can indicate pied) and as the mother is a pearl with yellow tones tick markings would be overshadowed by the heavy pearling.Also note that a tiel split to pied doesn't necessarily show tick markings! The rule of thumb for quickly identiying pied is the yellow tones on non wfaced varieties Hope this has helped you cheers

Frank

[josiedownunda]

Hmmm....must remember to have a word to the grandmother of this bird then at some stage!!! She has obviously been misbehaving when the lights go out and hubby has no idea! He definitely has no pied in him and she hasn't either so where did the this birds mum find the pied gene??? I guess I will get some answers in a few months because his future mate is a pied and if all the chicks are not pied I will know once and for all. Why can't these things be simple.....like me!!!LOL
Jo-Anne

[hillcresttiels]

Hey Jo-Anne you say that you thought both parents didn't carry pied,my question to you is even if it was classified as a split where did the gene come from is it possible that this bird is not the sibling of the pair that raised it ,as hens will lay in others box? if in a communal aviary or both parents will have to have the pied gene in it's split form.As your photo is a little small that is a yellow flight feather i detect on both wings! :)is it possible for a larger photo cheers Frank

[billspets]

frank i have been told that the gean can be as far back as 5 generation back does that sound right
if it is correct then could the gean be passed threw the gereration without it showing its self
regards
bill

[hillcresttiels]

And sometimes even longer than 5 generations Bill,the only way the pied gene can be removed from a line is when 2 split pieds are paired together then it is possible that none of the offspring siblings have recieved the gene and only test breeding will provide answers. The Pied gene is a very strong gene tick markings on the back of a Cockatiels head will sometimes provide a key that a particular bird is carrying the gene,but even a single White flight feather in all the Whitefaced varieties and a Yellow flight feather in all other Tiel varieties indicates Pied in it's full form and not a split form. the more Yellow the Heavier the Pied the Less Yellow the Lighter the Pied and the same goes for the White tones in Wfaces. Some breeders prefer to call the Heavy Pieds a Reverse Pied. This comes into calculation when a Pied has 75% or more Yellow or White tones and 25% of whatever the mutation is. For eg a Whiteface Cinnamon Reverse Pied would have a minimum of 75% white 25% cinnamon as per attached photo hope I have helped cheers
Frank

[josiedownunda]

Ok I have done the bonde thingy again and confused everyone. LOL The parents of this bird were a pied cock bird and a non-pied hen(Lucy was her name). Lucy is the one I am questioning the parentage of as her dad is definitely not pied or even split and her mum has never had a baby that showed any split pied. So it is the parents of the Lucy I am wondering on now and there is no way another hen was laying in the box as it is suspended single cage with only the one pair. Lucy's mum never had a chick that showed split pied or pied and neither did a male sibling of Lucy's mum. Is it possible the gene can be carried through a few generations without showing up visually as a split. I always thought pied usually came up as patching on the head or somewhere. Lucy's brother has had a lot of chicks also and no pied marking has ever been visible. Here is a bigger pic of the possible pied bird from the earlier post. He is only very young here but the colour is still there.
Jo-Anne

[hillcresttiels]

Hi Jo-Anne the pic is an excellent clear one and for this bird to carry 2 yellow flight feathers and one yellow tail feather indicates Pied to me personally! Is it probable that the gene was evident in a split form from Lucy's mum which hasn't been passed on to Lucys' brother?
If you tiel doesn't turn out to be visual pied then he shows a very strong form of split with all the yellow tones. cheers Frank

[Laraine]

I didn't know my cinnamon was a pearl. She was just a bird I bought from a pet shop a few years ago and they didn't know what she was. She was just a pretty bird I fancied. I'll try to get a side and back photo of the lutino so you can have a look at her. It might be interesting when the babies breed what they will produce. I think they might be all girls as they have the bars under their tails. I have a few bachelor males in the aviary.

[hillcresttiels]

Hi Laraine the Lutino will be a hen but the other 2 only time will tell in their behaviour juvenile males also carry tail barring so this is not a good indicator, cheers Frank

[Laraine]

This is a photo of the Lutino baby. (I hope it works)




A photo of one of the other babies, what colouring is this one. Its not really grey.