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Post by kim1 on Oct 5, 2005 11:52:02 GMT 10
I've just gone down to check on the chicks from my albino ringneck hen and one of them has filled up like a balloon full of air all it's crop and around the back of its neck, has an air sack ruptured or is it a crop problem, what can I do my vet is closed. ooh I feel sick, please help.
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Post by AussieBirds on Oct 5, 2005 12:18:20 GMT 10
The first thing is not to panicky Kim, how old is the chick and at what time did you find the bird, are you sure it hasn't just got a full crop, can you see any trace of food in the crop.
John
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Post by hillcresttiels on Oct 5, 2005 12:19:05 GMT 10
Hi Kim the chick has sour crop and has to be emptied preferably by crop needle crop or if not available then try holding the chick upside down and slowly massage the crop contents towards the mouth to try and induce vomiting then syringe feed a little water with a bit of gastrolyte or spark to help neautalise the contents im sure if one of the others reads this they will assist cheers
Frank
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Post by kim1 on Oct 5, 2005 12:22:50 GMT 10
Its 2 weeks old and the crop is empty as far as I can see, there is no sign of food just air it looks like its about to pop,
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Post by hillcresttiels on Oct 5, 2005 12:27:35 GMT 10
Its definately sour crop if you dont deal with it quickly you will lose the chick.
Frank
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Post by AussieBirds on Oct 5, 2005 12:30:31 GMT 10
I agree with what Frank has said you must act quickly.
John
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Post by kim1 on Oct 5, 2005 12:31:03 GMT 10
How can I push on a crop that is about explode, I put a crop needle in but can't get anything out
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Post by kim1 on Oct 5, 2005 12:37:32 GMT 10
the air isn't just in the crop it goes around both sides of the neck and down the back between th shoulders also
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Post by AussieBirds on Oct 5, 2005 12:46:39 GMT 10
The crop sack goes around there Kim just keep trying to empty the crop, if need be gently massage the area with the baby upside down.
john
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Post by kim1 on Oct 5, 2005 12:47:14 GMT 10
I think it is an air sack, I gave it some probiotic and spark and even though I can see through the skin there is nothing in it surely I would be able to see the probiotic?
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Post by hillcresttiels on Oct 5, 2005 12:49:15 GMT 10
Yes kim thats all crop that has swollen with air,try feeding a little water then try to empty the crop with a crop needle if you have no luck last resort tilt the chick upside down and massage the crop with your thumb and forefinger from the base of the crop towards the mouth hopefully it will vomit the byle out (white yukky substance and then give a little water again Aka Zeltzer is also usefulwith water to help the chick rehydrate! have you fed the parents corn recently?
Frank
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Post by kim1 on Oct 5, 2005 12:58:29 GMT 10
ok I'm giving it a try, scary though.
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Post by AussieBirds on Oct 5, 2005 13:16:40 GMT 10
Yep it's scary for sure Kim but just take it easy and you will be alright, good luck and let us know how you go.
John
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Post by josiedownunda on Oct 5, 2005 14:16:10 GMT 10
Hi Kim,
It is possible it has a ruptured air sac. If you give it some water or electrolytes can you see it inside the crop. It can often make it easier to tell what is air sac and what is crop when there is something in the crop. If it is an air sac then you will have to release the air by pricking it with a needle. Make sure it is before you go sticking a needle in the crop. Is the air forcing the chicks head point skywards?
You can email me privately if you like as I have treated a few air sac ruptures before.
Jo-Anne
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Post by kim1 on Oct 5, 2005 15:43:27 GMT 10
you are right Jo-anne, it is an air sack I've emailed you, Ive had it poked with a needle and let the air out, and given the poor little guy some fluids, I tried to get the contents out of the crop and only ended up hurting him, now I realize the crop was empty and the crop needle was only sucking on the crop wall. Please let me know what else I need to do. Kim
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Post by josiedownunda on Oct 5, 2005 17:02:25 GMT 10
Keep the hole open if you can or wait until you see it start to inflate again then puncture a new hole. It is important to keep the outer wall open and the sac able to deflate until the internal rupture can heal. It sounds gross but believe me it works. The poor fellow should still be able to eat ok and his crop should be unaffected. I treated one in the nest once and the parents continued to feed it as normal. When the sac got too large it couldn't feed properly but as soon as it was emptied it was as good as new. It took about 48 hours for things to settle and the for the sac to stop inflating. Good luck.
Jo-Anne
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Post by hillcresttiels on Oct 5, 2005 17:32:58 GMT 10
Well done Jo-Anne maybe a vet in the making lol  Keep us posted on the little one Kim  Frank |
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Post by josiedownunda on Oct 5, 2005 18:24:41 GMT 10
LOL Thanks Frank! It is just I have had a few cases of this over the last few years and it just rang a bell. Actually I have tried the vet thing but didn't get past second year...too much hard work! I went to work for one instead!!LOL
Jo-Anne
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Post by hillcresttiels on Oct 6, 2005 18:30:06 GMT 10
Hi Kim how did the chick go?
Frank
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Post by kim1 on Oct 6, 2005 19:30:14 GMT 10
the little guy is doing well, I had to keep pricking him and squeezing the air out untill 2am, but it seems to have stopped since then, he's eating really well so fingers crossed it looks good at the moment, I'm worried I may have hurt him with the crop needle as he had a bit of bleeding in his crop and it looks bruised but he is eating and digesting well, do you think I will have done any real damage? it seems to be blood or bruising I can see, but he is eating ok.
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