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Post by pollyparrot on Oct 17, 2004 15:07:52 GMT 10
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Post by Smiley on Oct 17, 2004 15:24:53 GMT 10
Polly they are beeeeuitful, I will have to pop in one day and get some of your babys...one looks like a rain bow colour..I just love the colours of them  Natalie |
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Post by pollyparrot on Oct 17, 2004 15:27:48 GMT 10
ta nat iam pretty proud of them
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Post by birds77 on Oct 17, 2004 15:46:14 GMT 10
Hi The top pic looks like it will be a yellowface possibly rainbow, the other 2 are going to be pieds, the bottom one a yellow and either green or blue, the middle one white and something. hope this helps.
Anna
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Post by parrotpotential on Oct 17, 2004 15:57:09 GMT 10
Oh Vicki, they are going to be beeeeeautiful! I love the colours of budgies, just not the mess and noise, lol
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Post by senn on Oct 17, 2004 16:09:40 GMT 10
so you should be vicki.
they look very lovely.
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Post by senn on Oct 17, 2004 16:16:19 GMT 10
kim,
dunno about there being that much mess but i'll agree totally on the noise. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
ive found tame budgies a bit too inclined to getting bossy.
but if i could find a placid one id be tempted.
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Post by pollyparrot on Oct 17, 2004 17:37:35 GMT 10
hiii simon i havent had alot to do with budgies but wouldnt it depend on how u rear them and how u bond??
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Post by senn on Oct 17, 2004 17:53:57 GMT 10
vvicki,
only to a point.
ive seen some very loving budgies that are so loving they get bossy. *lol*
but ive never owned any tame ones so who knows.
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Post by fischer on Oct 17, 2004 19:15:32 GMT 10
Baby budgies, or any HR bird for that matter, only "turn" or get bossy or nasty because they are not handled enough after handraising. Very occasionally you come across a bird that has a nasty temper, Iv'e found this to be very rare if the bird is handled properly, and I have raised a lot of birds over the years. I do agree they are noisy, but I rather like the noise  Cheers...Tony |
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Post by pollyparrot on Oct 17, 2004 19:42:13 GMT 10
yea tony i agree with what u said about the noise i love noisy birds lol u really know u are alive when u hear them ;D
i love the quakers sound the louder the better i could listen to it all day
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Post by senn on Oct 18, 2004 17:08:01 GMT 10
tony in truth the tame budgie i had most experience with was found by a family member so no idea how handled it was.
i had a tiel last year that was supposedly hand raised. well without going into details the rearer probably did a dodgy job. the bird came round in the end before dying of an infection. but it did bluntly like to try getting its own way. and it was out and about outside the cage a fair bit.
dont get me wrong. budgies can be really cool birds.
but maybe theyre genetically programmed to assert themselves.
vicki, noise = 1 reason i couldnt have a quaker here. that and my confidence with hr birds.
its why im looking at something placid. low noise and to build up familiarity.
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Post by pollyparrot on Oct 18, 2004 18:03:13 GMT 10
hi there simon , i understand what u are saying but after hearing everyones different experiences iam starting to think that whats too strong and fiesty or too bossy for one bird owner is just right for another where you see them as being too fiesty and overbearing lol i find it to be delightfull and fun to have them being a bit strong willed its actually a very interesting point mabe we could do a poll on what behaviours some see as not so good or endearing?? what do u think
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Post by senn on Oct 18, 2004 18:11:35 GMT 10
100% agreement there. :-D
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Post by fischer on Oct 19, 2004 2:45:27 GMT 10
Vicki, a Forum on that subject is a great idea, I agree 100% too It could help new owners with problems with their pet birds, I must admit a bias here, as I have a couple of " theories",( for the lack of a better word, ) on the subject . Cheers...Tony |
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Post by pollyparrot on Oct 19, 2004 5:27:01 GMT 10
well go for it then tony we want to hear it |
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Post by fischer on Oct 19, 2004 7:20:22 GMT 10
Ok Vicki, since you asked, I will.
In all animals and birds there is a natural order of accession, put simply, in dogs there is a pack mentality and a leader, in birds there is a pecking order. we all know this, its been well documented. I have seen, time after time, a dog owner that is more or less subservient to the dog because the owner has never established properly who is the pack leader, to me its just bad basic training and can be very hard to rectify after the animal reaches maturity, It has to be established from the very start just who is boss.
I think this applies particularly to hand reared birds, and the real training begins at this stage. Most people hand rearing birds understand this and do train their responsibly and stop bad behavior traits before they become permanently ingrained.
The real trouble begins, I think, when the new owner takes over from the rearer, and dosn't understand the proper training procedure and lets some bad behavior traits that may appear go uncorrected, this can be a very big problem as the bird reaches maturity and cannot be blamed on the original rearer.
There are 3 main reasons this can occur in young birds.
#1 is after handrearing the bird may be sold to a pet store and sit without handling for some time and reverts to its natural behavior, any purchaser of type 1 bird will have trouble training this bird in the future if the bird sits in the shop for anything over a week. I stress here, that a bird bought under these conditions, that is badly behaved, can not be blamed on the original handrearer.
#2 reason is that the purchaser is just a bit afraid of the bird, because it may have nipped or bitten the new owner in the all important "getting to know each other" period and if this happens, for whatever reason, the bird will sense this and modify its behavior and quickly become boss or if you like, top of the pecking order. To regain the lead in a situation like this can be very difficult.
#3 is simply not enuogh handling by the new owner, is not taken out of its cage often enough, sometimes for weeks, and the bird will quickly revert to natural behavior and become un-manageable.
Well there it is Vicki, You can all make of it what you will, I welcome comment. Cheers...Tony
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Post by AussieBirds on Oct 19, 2004 10:48:40 GMT 10
Excellent comments Tony. The disadvantage of hand raising is highlited in what you have just said, I know people love to buy hand raised birds, and people love to hand raise them. But unless you are prepared to give that bird some quality time and handle it, talk to it and generally give it the attention it has been used to, then you are better off buying one that is not hand raised.
Dont get me wrong here I have no objection to hand raising birds, but i do not agree with pet shops buying hand raised birds, putting them in a cage, advertising them as hand raised and tame and then not handling them again untill some poor unsuspecting customer comes in and they sell that bird as bieng tame when it hasnt been handled for two weeks.
As we all know birds are wonderfull creatures and make wonderfull pets we all wan't the very best for our birds even after we sell them on. I don't believe that any of us just sell a bird and then forget about, but how many of you that sell privatley give the purchaser a facts sheet on the bird they have just purchased off you, I do with every bird i sell, how many of you spend time with the new owner telling them about the bird, it's habits and what they should be feeding it, I do, how many of you keep in contact with the new owner for a period of time just in case they need some advice. I realise that this is not always possible, but I make it my business.
I know everyone here at AussieBirds is a responsible bird owner and breeder, thats obvious by the posts and the pictures we post and the way we talk about our birds, but as we know there are people out there that couldnt care less about them, the guy with the Sulpher Crested that we were told about is a case in point, but as long as there are people around like Vicki, Anna, Nattalie, Frank, Tom Bill Jo-Anne and all the rest of the members of AussieBirds Friendly Forum our birds are in good hands.
Ill get off my soap box now ;D
[glow=red,2,300]John[/glow]
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Post by senn on Oct 19, 2004 11:52:53 GMT 10
yep,
gotta agree with whats said.
ive come across a breeder in the past who to put it politely didnt act in the best interests of the bird sold.
and ive seen pet-shops claim a young bird can be tamed in 10 minutes.
so tony, i would agree with your list, and john, with your comments, but would add the occassional uncaring breeder to the list. sometimes theyre just interested in the money and getting the birds out as fast as possible. they see hand-rearing as a way of boosting prices. or in one case i know of lie bluntly and claim an aviary bred bird that has been tamed as hand raised.
sadly those breeders are out there. hopefully in a minority.
i will second john on the members of this forum obviously caring about their birds.
tony, i notice you said about this info being helpful for new owners. totally agree 100%. bird psychology is something that is essential to a new owner. without knowing why a bird thinks as it does it can be hard avoiding problems or correcting them.
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Post by lovemytiels on Oct 19, 2004 16:00:59 GMT 10
Tony, thankyou thankyou thankyou. Yo have explained yourself quite correctly re hand raised birds. I, like John also give all my new owners about 5 lots of facts sheets which I got from the net, & also explain about them being h/reared & that they have been use to affection & their own time out & they will need to continue that if they want to keep their new bird happy. If & when I have sold to my local bird place I have been lucky as my h/reared birds are usually gone by the next day as the owner knows I only have very spoilt & loving birds. Your insight on this subject is much appreciated Cheers for now Anna |
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