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Post by rainbowfeathers77 on Jul 21, 2008 15:26:10 GMT 10
One thing I'm disliking in this birdie business, is that you are seemingly not allowed to 'shop around"..coz if you do, you get rudely knocked back. My example being...I wrote to several bird breeders asking them about their sun conure availability and prices. I clearly stated that I was just enquiring at this time. ( I am currently just searching around to see who has sunnies, for how much and if they freight (if necessary) - isn't that what you would do "research" if you were going to spend a lot of money on something eg. a car or whatever ? ) Well, Dave's aviaries just returned my mail, Parrot Haven aviary returned my mail with a statement...'thankyou for your enquiry'... and nothing else. Some didn't respond at all. When I ask breeders from Petlink, I just get knocked back, unless I say that I deffinatelly plan to purchase their bird...sure you are allowed to ask questions but with the intention of buying their bird at the end, otherwise you are considered a "time waster" (god I hate that term  ) Well I'm not gonna go kissing anyones backside, those who don't want my business , won't get it...if I am just considerd a time waster Really cheezes me of, this attitude...especially from people who supposedly like animals (birds) - therefore you kinda think, they would be "nicer" people to deal with.....well I stupidly thought so  |
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Post by pinkdevil on Jul 21, 2008 15:39:32 GMT 10
My personal favourite is when some people list birds for sale, then when asked for a pic, they respond with, "a,whatever breed, bird is a bird, why do you want to see a pic?" They all look the same. Errrrr excuse me but NO they don't!! lol
I agree with "shopping" around. I don't think there are many people who buy the first bird they see. Unless it's a "just gotta have it, no matter what" lol
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Post by summit on Jul 21, 2008 15:54:33 GMT 10
Hey Kat, There is no reason for anyone to respond rudely to your inquiries and I do agree that calling anyone a time waster is not good business. However, please allow me to put forward a view of a breeder. Most breeders do not disclose exactly what they have because the instance with the Lismore kids is not an isolated one unfortunately. An inquiry out of the blue may be viewed as an attempt to "see what's there". I am in no way saying you had any such intentions, just a possible reason for their reply or lack of. I have listed a few birds on Petlink and received numerous responses to each post, mostly people just after pictures for whatever reason and it does become frustrating. There are many good breeders around and alot that are willing to help. When I receive inquiries to birds I do not have available at the time I use a standard reply ............. Thank you for your inquire, unfortunately at the moment I do not have any (whatever bird) available but should have some within a couple of months (if that is when I expect them). They will be somewhere from $X - $Y and freight is approximately $Z. It doesn't hurt to be polite and I am fortunate to have a lot of repeat customers. I feel your frustration but urge you not to give up. Cheers  |
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Post by Karen on Jul 21, 2008 15:55:54 GMT 10
How do these breeders expect to build a good reputation if they will not deal openly and fairly with you? I do not understand their attitude at all. When people buy (or enquire) from me I supply as much info as they want, I invite them to my place to see my aviaries (most people say no anyway) and I go out of my way to be helpful. If I didn't do that no one would want to buy from me. Same situation with breeders I've visited. Most of my contacts in the industry have been word of mouth - other breeders who were happy to recommend them because of their transparency. As you said Kat, you do your research for a car, got to make sure you are getting a quality product. I am pendantic even buying whitegoods! |
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Post by vankarhi on Jul 21, 2008 19:59:19 GMT 10
When I was looking into buying another bird I rang around a lot of breeders, I think I was looking at an alex actually (before I got Takoda). I had one person tell me they would not send me an email  and if I wanted to buy the bird they would meet me on the road somewhere ........ I was told that it is a safety thing, which I can appreciate but I am sorry if I am going to buy a bird I would like to see it whether it is by email or in the flesh/feather so to speak. I was not prepared to pay $$$ for a bird I had not even seen at all.....not even by picture. When buying Gunny and Alex I asked for pictures and they were quickly supplied no problem at all. Actually the ekkie breeder I got Gunny from was most patient with me as I put him through the third degree and even asked for references (I was very very paranoid about parting with such a large amount of money and not having a bird at the end of it). |
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Post by Jane on Jul 21, 2008 20:55:45 GMT 10
Hang in there Kat  Doesn't Mary have a pair? I'm sure she'd have an idea on pricing  My parrot price guide says $500, but doesn't allow for handraising. Have you tried the The Parrot Package? Robert put up a link for them recently and they have prices on their website. (ps don't look and be tempted at the beautiful B&Gs and Greys they had on there when I looked) |
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Post by rainbowfeathers77 on Jul 21, 2008 22:31:04 GMT 10
Hi Yeah the parrot package replied just now, sunnies $550. At least someone still replies  I understand the whole privacy thing, I guess I wouldn't want to advertise everything I had either but then I wouldn't give out any address details until I knew for sure that the buyer was genuine but even the address will eventually leak to the outside world...I dunno..... advertising what you have does have a big influence on how much business you make and that is, what makes your business, isn't it......ahh gosh...so I can see the complicated situation. But it's just not fair.... It's all just ----(beep)--- ....why do we have to go into such secret mode and suspect every person that makes any mention/enquiry about our birds etc....all because of a few (beep - beep -beep) scumbags out there ...what is this bloody world coming to. Regardless though, I just hate rudeness......with the email technology these days, people just snub you if they want and no ill effect on their part...what ever happened to some morals or social ettiquette. ...or just a bit of self conscience. I try to be a good, honest person but I feel like I'm getting out-numbered - so whats the point.. aahhh...blah blah...excuse me everyone, just having a bad day - time to move this post to the back. |
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Post by pinkdevil on Jul 22, 2008 7:42:56 GMT 10
lol Kat sounds like your a little stressed. Find yourself a nice quiet corner with a few boxes of yummy chockies and pig out!!!! lol Works for me I find rudness everywhere from sales people to strangers in the street. I guess no matter what it is these days, there will always be a few bad apples that spoil it for the rest.  I totally understand the need for privacy, not only to prevent theft but also saftey. A big time reptile breeder had quite a lot of high end snakes, and while he was out, his wife and kids were held at gun point and terrorised and bound while the thieves stole all his reptiles.  It is people ( I will call them people as even animals have a bit of decorum about them) like this that instill fear and paranoia in others. But there is still no excuse for rudness. Try not to get too disheartened over a select few. If they don't respond then they clearly are not that interested in your business. Speak with your feet (and wallet) and shop elsewhere. How are those chockies coming along?  ??  |
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Post by abby-oldaccount on Jul 22, 2008 8:02:28 GMT 10
Hang in there Kat Doesn't Mary have a pair? I'm sure she'd have an idea on pricing My parrot price guide says $500, but doesn't allow for handraising. Have you tried the The Parrot Package? Robert put up a link for them recently and they have prices on their website. (ps don't look and be tempted at the beautiful B&Gs and Greys they had on there when I looked) Yep I do have a pair. Zali is from last season htough so I doubt that I'd have babes until late next year. Suns as a general rule don't successfully go down until 18mths-2yo. Even then they can have problems with their first lot. I'd say $450 is a reasonable price to pay atm. If you're really serious (and want one this year) a friend of mine here in SA breeds beautiful suns. My guys actually came from him. He's experienced in freighting too. If you want to wait until late next year then you can always get one off me, we can sort out $ within reason should I end up with babes. I'd say you'd be looking around October/November for babe from the new season to be available. As a breeder I get phone calls and people saying they'll turn up and then not turning up, blah blah. It's incredibly frustrating. I've also been known to ring a breeder (actually about Linnies) and say, look I'm not after them now, I am time wasting but would like to know more about them. The breeder I chatted to was really pleasant and happy to have a good chat. In that case I wasn't going to be buying off him (at least not in the short term), essentially I was wasting his selling time but had been upfront about that and he was great. I think a number of breeders have been burned and between the EBAG paperwork, looking after upteen aviaries, handraising babes etc spending time on an email or what they may view as "another time waster call" just is a major interruption. The guy I got my grey and zon from has become a good friend of mine. He still takes a week to get back to me with emails at times though. I understand how busy he is though. |
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Post by just4birds on Jul 22, 2008 8:22:40 GMT 10
I got my first sun conure from The Parrot Package ... Trish is a lovely lady ... does a great job with her handraising .... offered photos as the baby is growing up .... you can visit her to see the baby if you wish ...
I paid for $550 hmmm must be 2 years ago now .... and my little boy i got from a breeder at austral she was also very nice ... showed me heaps of babies to pick from etc ... DNA sexed ... cost me $450 ... early on this year ...
Good Luck!
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Post by rainbowfeathers77 on Jul 22, 2008 10:20:12 GMT 10
Thanks guys Tash...lol...I'm not too big into chocolates  though....(must be from a different planet, she's thinking ) ...I'd actually get more joy from some mussels, or rollmops, or prawns, or smoked bream, or smoked salmon....yuuuuumm ;D (Tasha's face turns green and she beggins to vomit ;D ) But thanks for the cheer up and support Thanks Abby for your offer....well I may either get one sometime this year after tax time (depending on how much I can coax hubby into it by going on and on about it) or will get one next year - a promised present for me, when hubby gets deployed next year for 8 months - so as to keep me company I was limited to Perky Parrots after finding there wasn't much offers - they have good prices and Courtney said they are really good aviaries. I don't trust buying one from Petlink - too risky for such money (unlkess it was from a reputable breeder that replies emails ) and Parrot package I was leaving to last resort...since they charge more ....but I may take you up on the offer re the sunnie from your friend - do you know how much he charges? I want a tame one and very healthy one - I don't want to fall in love with him and then have him die on me. Anyway...thanks again everyone |
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Post by summit on Jul 22, 2008 10:26:49 GMT 10
Hmmmmm rollmops, that's a rather Scandanavian taste there.
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Post by rainbowfeathers77 on Jul 22, 2008 10:40:26 GMT 10
Hmmm ..I could eat a whole barrell of them ;D
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Post by pinkdevil on Jul 22, 2008 11:15:02 GMT 10
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Post by rainbowfeathers77 on Jul 22, 2008 11:32:16 GMT 10
PMSL Tash ;D lol...you funny gal, you! Rollmop? You don't know what a rollmop is? What do you clean the floor with??? Ha...nah, roll mops are little herrings (fish) or alike, rolled up with bits of pickled onion added aswell, usually held together by a little toothpick stick or alike, in a jar, 'swimming' in salty/brine water (or something like that - very salty). Oh did I forget to mention I also love oysters...but haven't noticed them having any effect on me "physiologically" |
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Post by abby-oldaccount on Jul 22, 2008 11:39:19 GMT 10
Thanks Abby for your offer....well I may either get one sometime this year after tax time (depending on how much I can coax hubby into it by going on and on about it) or will get one next year - a promised present for me, when hubby gets deployed next year for 8 months - so as to keep me company I was limited to Perky Parrots after finding there wasn't much offers - they have good prices and Courtney said they are really good aviaries. I don't trust buying one from Petlink - too risky for such money (unlkess it was from a reputable breeder that replies emails ) and Parrot package I was leaving to last resort...since they charge more ....but I may take you up on the offer re the sunnie from your friend - do you know how much he charges? I want a tame one and very healthy one - I don't want to fall in love with him and then have him die on me. Anyway...thanks again everyone I've left a message with the friend. The thing is with freight it may end up being the same price as what you'd pay Trish. With Trish you may have more of a chance of seeing your babe grow up too. Anyway...I'll pm you when I have more of a ball park figure then you can make a decision. On the whole dieing thing...I lost Dharma (my first sunny girl) last year due to what we believe was a redback spider bite. A couple of months before that I'd had Diego in at the vet with a kidney and lung infection. No idea why it happened but he was a very sick little boy and it was touch and go for a few days. What I'm saying is sometimes things are unforeseen. You can have the best bird from the most fantastic breeder and still something goes wrong which is nothing to do with the breeder. |
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Post by rainbowfeathers77 on Jul 22, 2008 11:52:08 GMT 10
Yeah I know...I guess these things are unpredictable  Thanks for looking into the sunnie pricing trhing for me Cheers for that Mary |
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Post by bullibirdshow on Jul 22, 2008 21:01:46 GMT 10
A guy last night at one of the bird club's I belong to told me that he bought to birds and they arrived much earlier than expected. He looked in the box and one of them was dead. He went straight to an avian vet who said he would do an autopsy straight away.
Then he came out and said there would be a hour an hour delay.
They buyer asked why and was told because the bird was frozen and the vet couldn't begin the autopsy until it defrosted.
*rolls eyes*
The breeders in my club have really good set ups and their birds have lots of different foods and fresh foliage. I guess I am lucky that they really love their birds.'
I don't know what to do about the rest of it and have decided just to ignore it all because it is too depressing.
Cheers,
Kate
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Post by courtzrocks on Jul 23, 2008 12:01:40 GMT 10
Yeah Perky Parrots is awesome! It is so beautiful! Even the breeder birds are friendly, we hand fed his breeder B&G macaws, they were so gentle. But yeah I recommend Perky Parrots if you're looking there. I sold a sun conure on Friday to a guy, you could really tell it was going to a good home, he bought good food, lots of toys and a good size cage, so nice to see it's going to have lots of room. We have one pied sun conure left and she is so sweet...loud (of course) but so sweet. The price is so high being in a pet shop so I figure that doing a bit of training with it and good socialization would make it worthy. She's been out so customers can handle her and I have taught her step up. She's so sweet, I would take her if she wasnt so loud lol.
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Post by rainbowfeathers77 on Jul 23, 2008 12:07:42 GMT 10
Hey Courts...so you are working at Pet City already?? How is it!! How much is Pet city selling conures for? Are you enjoying it!? Glad to see you back on here!!! Did you think of me when you were selling that sun conure ;D |
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and if I wanted to buy the bird they would meet me on the road somewhere 
Doesn't Mary have a pair? I'm sure she'd have an idea on pricing 
My parrot price guide says $500, but doesn't allow for handraising. 
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