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Post by pollyparrot on Sept 25, 2004 5:44:42 GMT 10
hi well my baby java sparrow/finch died thismorning
i have never handreared a baby finch and was not sure what i was doing but as he was tossed out of the nest i had to try now my question is did i feed him the wrong thing or do anything wrong as if it happens again id like to be able to save it
he was kept in a brooder and fed paswells like the other babies i know he could have had an injury which killed him but id like to rule out anything i did ?? do they take the same food ect as the parrots
any ideas
ta vicki
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Post by hillcresttiels on Sept 25, 2004 19:34:55 GMT 10
Thats very sad Vicki probably mother natures way of handling things keep chin up Frank
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Post by fischer on Oct 5, 2004 19:05:05 GMT 10
Hi Vicky,
There are several reason's why Finches and a lot of other cage Birds as well, will turf a baby out of the nest.
The most common reason is the bird's are young and in-experienced, this usually doesn't happen when they nest again and have gained a little experience with breeding.
Sometimes the parent's will kick out a baby because there is something wrong with it, I don't know how they can tell this at such an early stage, but they can. It's happened in my aviaries from time to time and there's not much you can do.
Another reason is the bird keeper's curiosity, checking nest's is a big NO NO, most Finches resent any interference with
their nests and will either desert or throw the young out.
Handrearing Finches is a tricky thing even for an expert, You did everything right, the most importment thing is to make
sure all the implements you use are sterilised and make a new batch of food each time you feed, as bacteria can infest a batch of food very quickly.
Hope this helps. Tony
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Post by pollyparrot on Oct 5, 2004 19:25:30 GMT 10
hi there thanks its very helpfull to hear anothers views
i have hand reared many birds so i know the bit about clean utensils ect so thats not a problem and the bit about the checking nests dosent apply either as i didnt know the babys were even there but i bet u are right with the baby having something wrong with it as it seemed a little disabled , what birds do u keep i?t great to have someone new here posting and bringing new ideas
thanks for the help:)
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Post by fischer on Oct 6, 2004 3:28:55 GMT 10
Hi Vicki,
I think we have the answer to why it got turfed out, were there other young in the nest?, and are the parents feeding them?
I wasn't trying to teach you to suck eggs ( my grandmother usued to say that ) Just going through the usual reasons this happens, I couldn't count the number of times it's happened to me, each time Iv'e tryed to save the bird and 90%
of the time there has been something wrong with it.
I have about 300 birds, finches, budgies, neophemas african love birds, canaries and some larger parrot's. Keeps me fairly busy.
Tony
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Post by pollyparrot on Oct 6, 2004 5:44:41 GMT 10
hi tony no way didnt think u were teaching me to suck eggs lmao am soo glad of the advice i know nothing about finches or budgies or canaries even  know a bit about parrots but have much to learn and am pleased to learn all i can from someone experienced as your self , mum and dad are back on the nest again i get a sneaking feeling that after checking things out yesterday that mum may not have tossed them out the naughty nanday and loonie lorikeet pals were in the nest boxes playing soo mabe they did it ill be watching those little devils ;D thanks again and looking foward to chatting to u seeya vicki |
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Post by fischer on Oct 6, 2004 6:57:48 GMT 10
Hi Vicki,
Are the Javas nesting in a large nest box with an entrance big enough to let a parrot in?
If so, I suggest you screw a small piece of wood over the hole leaving just enough space for the Javas to get in,this wont disturb the Javas too much and will keep the parrots out.
That should cure the problem.
Tony
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Post by AussieBirds on Oct 6, 2004 10:41:17 GMT 10
Great advice Tony, good to have a Finch expert on the Forum you are more than welcome here.
[glow=red,2,300]John[/glow]
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Post by pollyparrot on Oct 6, 2004 11:43:38 GMT 10
yes great advise i wouldnt have thought of that thanks again tony:)
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Post by fischer on Oct 6, 2004 16:03:19 GMT 10
Hi Vicki and John,
I wouldn't class myself as an expert, I just have a lot of years on the clock keeping birds, but thanks anyway.
My Dad usued to say an expert is a person who has learned from years of making mistakes.
Tony
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Post by eckie on Oct 16, 2004 17:58:42 GMT 10
you cant get better at something until you have done it wrong once to know how to do it better
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Post by Cbone28 on Oct 28, 2004 15:11:58 GMT 10
Hi,
I had a small Zebbie that i was rearing. He lived 5 days and then died. He looked like he had some burst blood vessels around his crop, so i wonder if i accidently overfed him.
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Post by Catbird on Nov 3, 2004 12:43:38 GMT 10
Hi Cbone - possibly the food was too hot? Crop burning?
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Post by kim1 on Nov 3, 2004 13:09:55 GMT 10
Probebly wasn't crop burning as you've said you handraised before, sometimes there is nothing you can do to save them, but I find that feeding every 2 hours for 2 feeds only electrolyte (spark) and probiotic with warm water gets littlely going a bit better as their crop is sometimes a bit touchy if they have been tossed out and are a bit shocked, after the 2nd electrolyte feed you wait 2 hours than start feeding dituted handraiseing mix with electrolytes and probitotic and slowly increase the mix over 24 hours untill it is at the recomended volume, doesn't work for everyone but this is what I do and works well (I seem to be the designated sick baby bird pearson in my area as I get all sorts dropped into me ) All you can do in these cases is try, you win some and lose some, but at least you tried.
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Post by Cbone28 on Nov 4, 2004 9:49:53 GMT 10
I actually rescued the Zebbie from the water dish. He had fallen in and practically drowned. I thought he was dead till i picked him up and he moved!! I was handrearing two tiels at the same time. He went in the same box as them, and they certainly kept him warm. Every now and then, he would push so far under the tiels they would stand on him. I was wondering wether one of their sharp toes may have done the damage by standing on the fragile skin around the crop? This could be some explanation for the bleeding? I know when the tiels walked all over my arms through feeding they left little karks from their sharp toes.
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Post by kim1 on Nov 4, 2004 12:19:04 GMT 10
Cbone there could be lots of reasons for the blood, one thing I have seen was a sun conure baby that had a severe crop infection that actually vomited blood, this was a parent raised bird so it was unusual, overfeeding can cause crop stretching,but this usually results in a slower crop as the crop doesnt have the stength to push the food through, also severe candidioses can also cause the problem. When the baby is fed only feed untill the crop is full, but still a bit pliable if it is hard the crop is in danger of stretching. You may never really find out what caused it.
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Post by Cbone28 on Nov 5, 2004 10:19:19 GMT 10
And atthe end of the day, I tried. It was only a little zebbie, and i am sure to breed many more!
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know a bit about parrots but have much to learn and am pleased to learn all i can from someone experienced as your self , mum and dad are back on the nest again i get a sneaking feeling that after checking things out yesterday that mum may not have tossed them out the naughty nanday and loonie lorikeet pals were in the nest boxes playing soo mabe they did it ill be watching those little devils ;D
