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Post by finchperson on Sept 20, 2009 14:27:47 GMT 10
Hi guys- I love King Quails!! Can anybody tell me about mutations in King Quails and maybe post some photos on this forum of the mutations. I keep a pair of Silver King Quails, they have laid many many eggs but none of them hatch. There proberly not fertail. Please reply!  |
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Post by Damo on Sept 25, 2009 18:03:12 GMT 10
i dont no much about quails mutations but i do know there are pied ones as i have seen a few selling at last years Geelong bird sale
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Post by robert on Sept 25, 2009 19:49:59 GMT 10
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Post by finchperson on Sept 25, 2009 20:41:11 GMT 10
wow, i just looked at that website and i was amazed at how many quail mutations there are. Thanks Robert!!!  |
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Post by Damo on Sept 26, 2009 2:18:08 GMT 10
Good link there Robert, had a look through the site and some very nice colour quail there.
I could not find a location of where they are?
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Post by lovielady on Sept 26, 2009 10:59:15 GMT 10
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Post by robert on Sept 26, 2009 11:29:00 GMT 10
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Post by finchperson on Sept 26, 2009 16:15:23 GMT 10
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Post by lingardrobert on Sept 26, 2009 22:36:42 GMT 10
Hi, Guys,
I love KQ, also, and am specialising in studying and developing new mutations - however I am a one man show, with a hobby, rather than a big production centre. But anyway, here goes.
The pictures you find at Bracken Ridge are useful, though I still debate if the 'silver' bird depicted is really silver - I think it looks more like an ivory - certainly, it is not a typical silver pair.
For the best pics, go to the Zebrafinch website (US)- Garrie Landry has an amazing array of varieties, and I tend to align myself more with Garrie when it comes to naming and identifying the colours and mutations.
THe other site you need is BQUSA (the americans call KQ button quail - long, confusing story - but the US BQ = Aussie KQ). There you will find some (poor) photos of some of my birds.
OK - mutations. THere are a limited number in Australia. Ordinarily people only recognise silver and cinnamon, however, there are a few birds popping up here and there with white patches, mostly on their extremities. I do not know if they are true pied, they are certainly worth developing.
I work with the following mutations: silver and cinnamon, and am developing an understanding of two more - grizzle and bronze. I have a long way to go in understanding their action, etc, but its a fun hobby.
I offer the following as a guide to mutations (short list for Australia, thus far) and colour combinations.
Normal - full, regular, wildtype colouring (this is not a mutation, but the starting point!)
Silver - normal bird with silver mutation - colours turned down, lookds grey/silver. I think this is related to a form of albinism (recessive inheritance)
Cinnamon - normal bird lacking black patterning on back (recessive)
Ivory - (homozygous silver + homozygous cinnamon) clear silver bird that lacks dark patterning down back (I have a soft spot for ivories) - Note, people sometimes call these 'white' - but clearly they are not as they still possess patterning, grey colouring and bibs.
Grizzle - grizzle mutation removes colour from base of feather (I am still unclear of what a double factor grizzle looks like as I have only so far produced a normal bird with a single factor of grizzle, and it is difficult to pick any distinctive colouring beneath the black back markings.) This is a dominant gene.
Caramel - (grizzle + homozygous cinnamon) Caramels are cinnamon birds which have a patterning, most prominently noted down their backs, where the base of the feather lacks colouration. Double factor grizzles (+ cinnamon) are obvious.
The bronze mutation produces a darker bird, turning up the brown colourings (melanistic). It is a dominant mutation, demonstrating a dosage effect - more obvious in double factor birds. Still much to be done here.
Bronze - (bronze mutation + homozygous cinnamon) being cinnamons, you would expect yellow chicks - but these are almost as dark as normals. Brizzles have a darker brown colouration.
Barred Ivory - (Bronze + homozygous silver + homozygous cinnamon) An ivory bird, the male producing dark barring across its chest. Some, slightly darker shading of grey across the back may be noticed.
Brizzle - (Bronze + Grizzle + homozygous Cinnamon) - appears as a caramel - but darker.
THere is more that could be said - such as fuller chick descriptions, etc, but its a start. And as I said, I am still studying the mutations I have.
Further, I have seen other birds with interesting plumage, but have yet to work with them to see if there is a simple genetic basis. There are also an increasing number of 'pied' birds, and also I am aware of a hobbyist who seemed to have birds with a possible leucine metabolism issue that affected the penetration of pigments into the feathers.
White is also the elusive mutation for me. There have been plenty of rumours in Australia. I have confirmed with a fellow hobbyist in NZ that there are some white over there, but as yet, none have been found in Oz. (Please, please, please let me know if you have any/know of any in Oz!!!!!!)
As you might guess, I have a bit of a bent for colour mutations, and am happy to answer any questions, though it might take a few days for me to get back to check emails.
OK, I've rambled enough. Talk to you soon.
Robert L
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Post by finchperson on Sept 27, 2009 10:29:50 GMT 10
At Maqurie Pet Centre (Sydney) a couple of weeks ago, i saw the most odly coloured King Quail i had ever seen. It looked like a cross between a silver & a red breasted King Quail. Oh and it was a male.
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Post by robert on Sept 27, 2009 10:52:13 GMT 10
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Post by finchperson on Sept 27, 2009 13:39:51 GMT 10
thanks robert |
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Post by lingardrobert on Sept 29, 2009 6:12:40 GMT 10
Hi, guys.
The bird you saw in the pet shop - I'd be interested to see a piccy - it sounds quite interesting.
I have seen a photo from an Australian breeder of a dilute male - instead of the usual burgundy breast and belly - this one had orange. All the colours were a bit out of whack - and I think it had pink eyes. A US breeder showed me the piccy, but couldn't find the contact details for the guy who had produced it.
So there is a lot of variety out there to explore - its just a matter of time and successful breeding. It seems that I am the only nutter out there trying to identify new mutations. If you come across anyone else - PLEASE let me know.
That said, I am concerned that our captive stocks are degrading. By that I mean, that I am concerned that wildtypes are in danger of vanishing. In my little corner of Australia it is almost impossible to find a cinnamon bird that does not also have other mutations mixed in with it. I really must start isolating some cinnamons and breeding a 'pure' stock of the them. Anedotally, silvers are also degrading - not as dark as they used to be. I suspect this is the result of the same issue I have observed with the local cinnamons.
So while I enjoy the pursuit of new mutations, I think we also need to consider preservation of the stocks we have.
Robert L
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Post by finchperson on Sept 30, 2009 18:03:20 GMT 10
Sorry lingardrobert I could'nt get a pic the quail was bought by smeone a couple of weeks ago. I think your right. We need to stop mixing mutations into other mutations!
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Post by finchperson on Sept 30, 2009 18:04:51 GMT 10
sorry i ment to say someone (not smeone)!  |
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Post by finchperson on Oct 13, 2009 16:13:21 GMT 10
Hi, guys. The bird you saw in the pet shop - I'd be interested to see a piccy - it sounds quite interesting. I have seen a photo from an Australian breeder of a dilute male - instead of the usual burgundy breast and belly - this one had orange. All the colours were a bit out of whack - and I think it had pink eyes. A US breeder showed me the piccy, but couldn't find the contact details for the guy who had produced it. So there is a lot of variety out there to explore - its just a matter of time and successful breeding. It seems that I am the only nutter out there trying to identify new mutations. If you come across anyone else - PLEASE let me know. That said, I am concerned that our captive stocks are degrading. By that I mean, that I am concerned that wildtypes are in danger of vanishing. In my little corner of Australia it is almost impossible to find a cinnamon bird that does not also have other mutations mixed in with it. I really must start isolating some cinnamons and breeding a 'pure' stock of the them. Anedotally, silvers are also degrading - not as dark as they used to be. I suspect this is the result of the same issue I have observed with the local cinnamons. So while I enjoy the pursuit of new mutations, I think we also need to consider preservation of the stocks we have. Robert L Maybe the quail I saw was a dilute. |
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Post by lyrebird on Dec 13, 2009 12:26:51 GMT 10
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