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Post by melissa on Apr 29, 2014 17:35:01 GMT 10
Hi all, I have a few questions about Princess Parrot mutations.
I have two pairs here, a green female (not aware of splits) with a blue male, and a White/lime female with a green/blue/lime male. I have a fairly decent idea of what to expect.
Now I have heard that yellow and lime are both non sex-linked and controlled by the same gene, and have also heard that there is a sex-linked version of the lutino princess available in Australia. Is this true?
I also hear that many 'Cinnamons' are technically 'faded', and many breeders I have spoken to seem to use the terms interchangeably. The prices for these cinnamons are phenomenal. Are faded and cinnamon the same?
There seems to be several other colours floating around, the double factor blue (cobalt?) and the 'silver' - a blue crossed with a faded. Just out of interest what happens when you breed a faded with a lutino or lime? Does the resulting bird get the same lightened colour effect?
Sorry for all the questions, I have just found it really hard to get info on the different mutations, I don't really know many breeders in my area that I can ask these questions to... (I am in Brisbane)
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Post by avinet on Apr 29, 2014 21:59:39 GMT 10
Hi all, I have a few questions about Princess Parrot mutations. I have two pairs here, a green female (not aware of splits) with a blue male, and a White/lime female with a green/blue/lime male. I have a fairly decent idea of what to expect. Now I have heard that yellow and lime are both non sex-linked and controlled by the same gene, and have also heard that there is a sex-linked version of the lutino princess available in Australia. Is this true? I also hear that many 'Cinnamons' are technically 'faded', and many breeders I have spoken to seem to use the terms interchangeably. The prices for these cinnamons are phenomenal. Are faded and cinnamon the same? There seems to be several other colours floating around, the double factor blue (cobalt?) and the 'silver' - a blue crossed with a faded. Just out of interest what happens when you breed a faded with a lutino or lime? Does the resulting bird get the same lightened colour effect? Sorry for all the questions, I have just found it really hard to get info on the different mutations, I don't really know many breeders in my area that I can ask these questions to... (I am in Brisbane) Hi Melissa, Lime and lutino are the same mutation, a NSL lutino where the degree of melanin reduction can vary quite significantly so there is a range from virtually all melanin missing, giving a yellow colour to birds with only partial melanin reduction - the greenish bird called a lime. Just variation in the one mutation. Cinnamon is, as you have heard properly called a Faded mutation and not cinnamon. Cinnamon implies a sex linked mutation however the "cinnamon" in Princesses is a recessive gene and so can't be a cinnamon but is a Faded mutation. As far as I know there are no true sex-linked Cinnamon Princesses but I might be out of date with that - my Princess mutation knowledge is a bit dated. Similarly with the sex-linked Lutino - it wasn't being mentioned when I stopped keeping track of Princess mutations but it is bound to turn up sooner or later. And you are right about the Silver - it is a Faded Blue. Your two pairs - the first will produce all greeb birds split to blue as you are aware, while with the second pair I would think that the albino is in fact a visual blue and NSL Lutino (or Lime) with almost all melann reduced to zero. So he is not split to Lime but is a Lime as well as Blue to produce a white bird. Is he truly white or is there some pale colour to the flight feathers? Anyway using Gencalc you would get:- 25.0% 1.0 blue /NSLino 25.0% 1.0 blue NSLino 25.0% 1.0 green /blue NSLino 25.0% 1.0 NSLino /blue 25.0% 0.1 blue /NSLino 25.0% 0.1 blue NSLino 25.0% 0.1 green /blue NSLino 25.0% 0.1 NSLino /blue The blue NSL ino would be white or close to white birds depending on their particular reduction in melanin. Could be an interesting clutch when they breed! And to answeer your final question about combining faded with NSL lutino - I don't know but I imagine it will be a very light coloured bird. There are some photos of Princess mutations, including Silver and Faded in the Oct-Nov 2010 issue of the Australian Birdkeeper. It is apparently still available as a back issue - www.birdkeeper.com.au/CatalogueRetrieve.aspx?ProductID=1247662&A=SearchResult&SearchID=5450807&ObjectID=1247662&ObjectType=27 It is pretty well where my knowledge of Princess mutations ended - when I retired from both work and active bird keeping - apart from our many pet birds - and started relaxing  cheers, Mike |
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Post by melissa on Apr 29, 2014 23:16:54 GMT 10
Hi Mike,
Thanks for that, the lime-lutino confused me for a bit there. I must say though, 'Blanche' is the most purest white you could ever hope for. I think perhaps because she is female, and the colour bleeding through the white does not show as intensely as it would on a male...?
Was wondering about the 'cinnamon' mutation because I found someone advertising one for $1200. Well I thought that was a bit much, but then I've only ever kept the basic birds before, never really splurged.
I have thoughts that perhaps if a faded blue can be produced - a silver, then perhaps also a faded lime or yellow? Interesting, but I guess only the future can tell!
And yes, I am really excited about breeding this pair, interesting to see what the bubs will be! Maybe one day in the future I can post some piccies for all!!
Thanks,
Melissa
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