What is a 'Pedigree Cockatiel'

[josiedownunda]

Ok everyine..it seems there is always someone out there that comes across a tag to add to their birds to get a much higher price! I saw the other day in a pet store, cockatiels advertised as Pedigree tiels and the price tag was $195!!!!! These were handraised birds in a pet shop mind you! The colours were just the usual...nothing rare or different!
Can someone out there please explain to me whaton earth is a pedigree cockatiel? I asked if it just meant they had a hatch certificate and was told no!
At the risk of sounding really ignorant here, I was under the impression that a cockatiel was a cockatiel and there were no crossbreds! I will also be bringing this up at the ANCS meeting tomorrow night! We have enough problems as breeders educating the public on our birds without people blatantly telling them lies to get a better price! I was told it was an ANCS member who sold these tiels to the store as well!
Jo-Anne

[AussieBirds]

Well if you take a pedigree dog or cat as an example you can trace back the linagage of that particular animal way back, and you are given pedigree papers when you buy the animal. I would guess that it would be the same sort of set up with a Tiel really sounds like an effort by the breeder or shop owner to jack up the price to me, but Im only guessing. Did the people in the shop offer you any explanation as to the title of pedigree Jo-Anne ?

John

[josiedownunda]

I was told they have the papers that say pedigree. To me that seemed to me like a hatch certificate! I can list a few generations back on a lot of my tiels but i still sell them as cockatiels with a hatch certificate! Another person had gone to the same store with her birds which were bigger size and better looking birds and was told they would give her $30 each for them.....that is not even 30% of the price they paid for the pedigree tiels. When they she told them she could give them a hatch certificate for each bird as well she was told that it didn't make any difference. Her hatch certificate and the 'pedigree' certificate offered on the 'pedigree' tiels was almost exactly the same!
My concerns on this is really the ethics! The shop owner is being misled big time! I know sometimes its good to get our own back on these stores that pay us nothig then charge the earth but this all seems very wrong! We all want to get the price possible but we should maintain some ethical standard to it all...especially when you make it known you are a member of the ANCS. I feel it makes the society look bad and I know quite a few tiel breeders who refuse to join because of issues like this! Maybe I am a bit over-sensitive and should really just congratulate her on being able to get such good money for the birds that rest of us can't!
Jo-Anne

[eckie]

hi
i would say just a way to get a higher price.
but pedigree
pedigree means thats its pure cockatiel.
it sounds like a normal cockatiel
tipical pet shop lookng for extra money.
probably only paid about $20 for the bird.

[kim1]

Maybe the pet shop owner is not being mislead, but is the one doing the misleading, I was offered $80 for my handraised blue ringnecks by a local petshop and $150 for handraised Alexandrines, I said no but when I went in yesterday they had blue ringnecks for $440 and Alex's for $550, and they where scrawny feather plucked inbred babies that looked like someones rejects, a woman brought an Alex and I heard them say it was only 6 weeks old, a load of you know what because they had to be about 12 weeks old I don't really trust most pet shops.

[Catbird]

I'd say the pet shops is the one putting in tags where they possibly don't belong. I've seen many fancy names or signs put to ordinary birds in pet shops trying to jack up the prices. Some unsuspecting new teil owner wouldn't know the difference.

Claire

[josiedownunda]

I know for a fact that the store is paying $100 per bird to the breeder. I spoke to the store this morning and a very helpful and unhappy person filled me in on the details. The manager is not well experienced with birds and breeding even though they have been involved in pet stores for years. I really feel this is a case of breeder finding a store manager that is lacking in knowledge and is really playing them for a sucker! Someone who should know better!
Jo-Anne

[kim1]

if that is the case the shop should put in a wriiten complaint to the ANCS, surely if this breeder is going to give everyone a bad name as well as the ANCS there should be some sort of warning issued, maybe the members need to make a policy of three strikes and your out. It's time we all jacked up about unscrupulous breeders.

[eckie]

i think its the pet shops fault
for getting sucked in.
i would never buy a cockatiel for $100
thats a joke. and if the manager at the shop
has no idea who employed him?
there are lots of breeders out there selling high priced birds. they didnt force the pet shop to buy them
well thats what i think anyways

[Zack]

I went to the local pet shop just out of curiousity, to check what they'd give me for my 3 Platinums.
He said he'd give me $10 each for them. I nearly died.
One of these babies is a handreared one too.

There is no way my babies would be going there anyway, but just thought I'd check.

Kazz

[hillcresttiels]

I tell you what J-Anne if it indeed is a Ancs member that told him or her it's a pedigree then I would like to see that person removed from the society as that is absolute Hog Wash cheers Frank

[AussieBirds]

I would absolutly agree with you Frank, to me it is using the name of an organisation to benifit their own pocket. I would even go so far as to lodge a complaint with the ANCS giving them the facts as you have them. The profitering by Pet Shops and SOME specialist Bird Shops is terrible and I think as responsible bird breeders we should do our best to boycott these places, I also believe that responsible orginisations should do their level best to remove the irresponsable breeders from their ranks.

John

[Zack]

Here, here, John.

Kazz

[tielkeets04]

hi jo-anne
the term Pedigree is given to registered animals
and that animal is given a pedigree number and papers , that number remains that animals number and can not be transfered to another animal , in the case of rabbits they are given a leg band with the number on it , and can not be entered into shows if they havnt a band , horses , dogs , cats etc are registered with the breed society of there breed
animals that are not registered can be sold as pure breds
go back and ask to see its registration papers , its rego number and who its registered with
if they cant show you this , tell them there are laws about false advertizing , and that your going to phone consumer affairs and inform them that the shop is false advertizing
bet this puts an end to it fastttttttt
lol tanya

[josiedownunda]

So are you basically saying that their is such a thing as Pedgree cockatiels? I mean all mine have legbands that are registered with the ANCS but that society didn't issue the bird with that number now did it issue a certificate to go with the bird. I was under the impression that the legbands were registered to the member who purchased them.....not to the animal they were put on...thus making it dfferent to dogs and horses etc where the birth deatils are sent to the registering body and they then issue the appropriate certificates showing the societies registered stamp.
Jo-Anne

[kim1]

I agree Jo-anne, buy the way dogs can be sold as purebred without a pedigree certificate but they cannot be advertised as pedigree without the certificate it is only when it is advertised as a pedigree and does'nt have the appropriate certificate that the Canine Control Council can take action. Animals can be purebred and advertised as such. these cocketeils would not have had as much impact if the where advertised as purebred because cocketeils cannot be crossed with any other species or breed so they are all purebred. Pedigree is a whole different thing.

[tielkeets04]

jo-anne that answers the question they havnt got a pedigree
so that would make it false advertizing
tanya