Silvers

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Does breeding a pastel sliver to pastel sliver produce small birds..

[josiedownunda]

Maybe Frank would be the best judge on that score but personally if you have 2 good sized birds with good physical characteristics then i see no reason why you won't get good sized off-spring. I have been told lately that the size of the hen determines the size of the chicks but I have no proof on that......my hens are all fairly large so I have no comparisons. If it is true then as long as you have a resonable size male and a big hen the colour should play no part in the size.
Jo-Anne

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Also I wanted to know does this also dilute the sliver as well..It is just what I have been told...

[hillcresttiels]

Hi Nat as Jo-Anne has mentioned if you are happy with the size of parents then it shouldn't be a problem however breeding Pastel Silver to Pastel Silver seems to enhance the nervous trait these birds carry but if you are H/r them then it wont be a factor!... the only negative is breeding Wface pastel-silver to Wface Pastel silver this variety still needs a lot of outcrosssing to increase size and temperament! Also breeding 2 silvers doesn't dilute the structure tones it remains true! ;D cheers

Frank

[hillcresttiels]

Hey Jo-Anne i have no records to indicate that a hen determines size all wives tales ... a good sized breeding pair will produce good sized young siblings and my records do indicate that a Stud Quality Cock will produce more quality than not. :)cheers

Frank

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I have a white face one and one split to wf...But I was not going to breed wf to wf..I'll will be getting one that has the split gene..My ones are not as big as all the other birds I have..but they are young..Yes it is good to out cross them..Thats why I am geting new blood..see what size I can get...As I mite not have to out cross the new one...Just my guys..Which in time I hope to have some good guys...The guy I know up here has a bit of trouble with his..the male mates...doesnt do his job,so the girl will not sit..So they are rasied under other teils..

[leeroy]

hi motherhen, if you pr the w/face- pastel silver's together you will get double factored pastel silver birds. they will be a lighter pastel silver colour than the parents. a lot of people act on hearsay.dont allways believe what you read on these sites either.you must experiment at times to find out the truth?leeroy

[josiedownunda]

Hi Leeroy,
I think you are a bit confused here. pastel silver is autosomal recessive so to be visual you are going to have 2 genes present..ie double factor if thats the term you wish to use. There is no such visual mutation as a single factor pastelsilver!..it will be a normal split to pastelsilver.
With pairing 2 wfpastelsilvers you would get a double autosomal recesiive mutation of the wf and pastelsilver which would give you a truer silver colour in the bird because of the presence of the wf.
Jo-Anne

[josiedownunda]

Hi Frank,
I don't necessarily believe the hen dictates the size of chicks either...just passing on what I have heard around the traps. If you have a good size hen and cock bird of good quality then you are bound to get chicks of the same calibre. In my personal opinion it would be a waste of any quality bird to pair it with a inferior specimen........it would be taking a step backwards!
Jo-Anne

[hillcresttiels]

I agree with Jo-annne i have bred plenty of them, they are alll Autosmal Recessive not one is lighter than the other and there is no factors involved believe what you want! all are born light! hens will remain light and males will darken after !st moult

Frank

[hillcresttiels]

Here is a photo of Pastel Silvers


The 4 from left to right are Juveniles the last on the right is the Dam notice same tones and on the wire is mature cock who is darker!



Same cock bird from above juvenile beginning of moult notice darker feathers on flight!

[leeroy]

hi josie, read my message again. you agree with what i said?? i am only refering to the person asking about w/face - pastelsilvers paired together? and they are double factored? you have seen lutinos that look almost white ?? instead of the brigther yellow they will be if split cocks are used ? why is it so?? let me know if its different to this? all double visual pairings are d/factored birds? leeroy

[leeroy]

hi josie, 1stly i must apologize to u & frank now?re the d/f and being recessive etc, ima a dork?? lol? 2ndly i will take notice of what the doctors tell me to do when in hospital while having tests done in future.that to stay in hospital for 3 more days? as i done a runner ? i didnt have enought pills etc to take with me? i was a little lost for qiute some days? i had my tribe looking for me for 36 hours too. i went to a mates digs? sorry folks, leeroy

[hillcresttiels]

no probs leeroy ;D Frank