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Post by josiedownunda on Mar 10, 2005 13:34:56 GMT 10
Hi Bill,
Your idea isn't bad. I have all sorts of birds around. Heaps of doves and rainbow lorikeets and magpies and kookaburras and minah birds and paleheaded rosellas......and more but I can't think of them all. It seems to be the rainbows and doves that get the closest. The doves get under the cages and pick up dropped seed. Mind you the dog is learning and my birds are getting used to him charging at the wild birds to chase them off. heaven knows what would happen if he caught one!!! He would probably run off screaming with his tail between his legs LOL
Jo-Anne
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Post by lovemytiels on Mar 10, 2005 13:45:48 GMT 10
Hi Jo- Anne, I was using Paswells & even went out & bought another box just in case & expiry dates were okay. Friend of mine gets Paswells in bulk & I buy from him. I went through all possible scenarios & questioned myself about did I take them out too early & too many what if's. I have h/reared from day one many times so I really don't think it was me. Cheers Anna
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Post by josiedownunda on Mar 10, 2005 13:53:28 GMT 10
I know what you mean Anna. I just find first instinct is....'what did I do wrong'! I have been through that and covered every possible scenario and also ruled out user error. I mean if it was cold formula or chilled babies or yeast etc. then I would presume it would not be 1 isolated incident. I would think all the chicks would suffer the same problem. Well my remaining 3 are still healthy and happy and picking at ffod now and climbing so I really don't think I did anything wrong. Well I really hope it wasn't my fault.
Jo-Anne
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Post by kim1 on Mar 10, 2005 14:56:31 GMT 10
I't strange you mentioned about the ones that survived, Anna, I had one survive also, he's not stunted but it was a battle for him to live, I almost had him put down as I thought I was being cruel, I hit him with everything, 2 kinds of antibiotics, nilstatin, probiotics etc for over a month before he started to want to eat, he's healthy now but he also guzzled the water for about 3 months before he settled down to drinking normally, he's gets a bit off colour occasionally but it only lasts a day and he comes back to normal, I don't know if it relates to the couple I lost or it's coincidence and he had something else but they were all together in the brooder as they were the same age.
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Post by lovemytiels on Mar 10, 2005 15:10:54 GMT 10
It is certainly bizarre Kim, as all my babies were in the same brooder but some were affected worst than others. Bill & I have been talking & rehashed contamintaed formula with maybe the youngest chicks being affected more as the don't have the resistance than say the older birds. It seems strange that it is h/reared birds that are dying. So what if seeds that were used to make the formula were contaminted. Grasping at straws I know, but I hit my babies with everything I knew because the vet was useless & some survived as some died. So would be interesting to find out if anybody noticed any nest babies like this & couldn't explained why they had died. Cheers Anna
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Post by hillcresttiels on Mar 10, 2005 15:13:28 GMT 10
Hey guys just got home and read all the posts on this matter and i seem to think that these handreared birds have had low immunity and the pale colorings is generaly a sign of liver problems and dark droppings usually indicate liver/bloodied foeces so at a guess my prediction is a bacterial liver disease  Frank |
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Post by kim1 on Mar 10, 2005 15:22:02 GMT 10
Tell us more Frank , if this is the prob can it be treated?, I'm still sus of the formular or an ingrediant these formulars have in common contributing, I think Vetafarm has one of its main ingredients as meat, which I think is not a normal or natural diet but thats just my opinion, if it is a bacterial liver disease how why does it happen, I don't pull my chicks under 2.5 weeks so they can build up their little imune systems with their parents first. If this is waht it is it gives hope of cureing or preventing it in the future.
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Post by lovemytiels on Mar 10, 2005 15:28:29 GMT 10
That doen't sound good at all Frank. The h/rearing formula I use has a probiotic in it. So are you saying that it is a low immunity sytem & they get bacterial liver disease & some of my birds were 3 weeks old & some younger. Why wouln't the gram stains pick up anything??? Cheers Anna
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Post by josiedownunda on Mar 10, 2005 16:26:33 GMT 10
That sounds like a reaonable diagnosis Frank. next question how and where did they pick it up? My parent birds are fed gold cob seed with added oats and sunflower plus they get sprouts and corn kernels and bok choy and cornflakes plus a mixed grain bread. All the parents are fed the same yet it was that 1 clutch last year and now this 1 chick. Both incidences involved different parents too in different cages and nestboxes.
Jo-Anne
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Post by hillcresttiels on Mar 10, 2005 16:29:26 GMT 10
Hi anna it's a known fact that gram stains carn't be trusted totally especially in young birds unfortunately i dont know what can be done as h/r goes to improve the condition but i do know it is less common when the birds are parent fed! i dont want to sound negative towards H/R but if this appears in young that are parent fed it's usually passed on by one of the parents without any clinical signs of the illness in the parents and most of the times it's the hen that carries some sort od Clamydia, maybe it is just natures way  Frank |
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Post by hillcresttiels on Mar 10, 2005 17:13:06 GMT 10
Sorry but I also forgot to add that most of the deceased seem to be aged between 2-3 weeks with no prior illness or signs of distress! Also Jo-Anne it doesn't seem to be related with diet but more with immunisation! parent fed tiels are not only fed what parents are feeding but also added is the hens goodness which cannot be reproduced by formulas! the other fact that is noticable with these birds is that it seems to affect chicks that are born last from a second or third clutch  cheers Frank |
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Post by josiedownunda on Mar 10, 2005 17:27:16 GMT 10
This is probably about the 4th clutch from these 2 and the first for about 5 months. It was actually chick number 2 out of 5 eggs...only 4 hatched as mum broke number 4. The chicks were pulled at jsut under 3 weeks of age. He was actually 29 days old yesterday so seems possible that he died of something different. Maybe I need to reconsider the fact that he may have fallen or possible injury from the crop needle. Mind you i am watching the others like a hawk. About the only hawk that cockatiel chicks wouldn't run from. LOL Everything is perfect with them so I am hopeful it was just an isolated incident.
Jo-Anne
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Post by hillcresttiels on Mar 10, 2005 17:29:56 GMT 10
Hey Jo-Anne i know personally you do a great job with your birds  and maybe as you say just put it down to bad luck good luck with the others  Frank |
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Post by josiedownunda on Mar 10, 2005 17:54:24 GMT 10
Thanks for your vote of confidence Frank. It means a lot coming from someone as experienced with birds as you are. It just really throws your confidence for a six when this happens. Especially seeing it was the first clutch for the year and i had only been feeding them for just over a week. But I guess the other 3 chicks need me so I will bounce back and enjoy these babies and the many more I am sure will follow.
Jo-Anne
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cheers
and maybe as you say just put it down to bad luck good luck with the others 