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Post by Laraine on Apr 14, 2005 15:04:16 GMT 10
Hi All
I have 4 baby cockatiels in the breeding box. The mother is a cinnamon and the father is a grey cockatiel. I am wondering what the babies will be, will they be split? At the moment they are just balls of yellow fluff. Also any advice on how to get the various colours eg. pied etc. would be appreciated. thanks.
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Post by hillcresttiels on Apr 14, 2005 15:16:05 GMT 10
Hi Laraine great to hear you have young in the nest as their is nothing more rewarding than watching these fluffy yellow balls evolve. ;D To answer your question in short If the dad doesn't carry any hidden genes as in a split form then all your chicks both male and females will be Greys. Any males in that lot will also be split to Cinnamon meaning they will be able to go and produce Cinnamons when they breed! ;D If you have in your nest anything other than grey it will be because dad is a split (quite possible as these days there are very few pure greys) Any surprises in that nest other than Cinnamon will be Hen, keep us updated at their progress  you might want to read my article on genetics to help you understand better! click on the banner below to take you to my home page where you will find the article ;)cheers Frank |
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Post by Laraine on Apr 14, 2005 16:56:49 GMT 10
Its quite confusing. If I get males, what do you suggest I breed them with when they are old enough, to get interesting colours? I have a few Lutino females. What would a mating with them turn out like?
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Post by hillcresttiels on Apr 14, 2005 17:40:33 GMT 10
Laraine the males will carry mums genetics so the best pairing for colors in both sexes would be a Cinnamon hen for them! Using a lutino hen will only give them more splits but also more grey birds especially males!  you would eventually get different varieties if one of those males is placed to a Lutino hen but will take another generation to produce not this one,so with access to many birds available establish what you would like to breed then purchase the birds required to produce them cheers Frank |
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Post by leeroy on Apr 15, 2005 0:31:12 GMT 10
larine, you can check the colour of their eyes out, if black, normal grey birds, if a amber colour ,cinnamon & if you have got lucky a red eyed 1? the male is split lutino too? . he may be split pearl & pied as well. cinnamon or lutino-pearl may be too? the female may be split pied too. good luck with the eyes, leeroy
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Post by Laraine on Apr 15, 2005 16:55:13 GMT 10
More on the subject of colours. How does one get pearl colours. What do you put together? ;D
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Post by hillcresttiels on Apr 15, 2005 17:31:18 GMT 10
A Male pearl or a male split to pearl will produce female pearls!
Frank
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Post by Laraine on Apr 26, 2005 17:30:47 GMT 10
Update on baby cockatiels. One of the babies appears to be a Lutino which is surprising. The others are 2 greys and 1 cinnamon. I'll post pictures when I work out how to do it.
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Post by samantha on Apr 26, 2005 19:28:46 GMT 10
If I've got my genetics right (I'm only new to this) It looks like dad is split to lutino as well as cinamon, the Lutino chick should be a hen.
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Post by hillcresttiels on Apr 26, 2005 21:34:56 GMT 10
Well done Samantha your assumption is spot on! The lutino will be a hen and the other 3 could be either sex! Frank |
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Post by Laraine on Apr 27, 2005 13:16:07 GMT 10
Not another Lutino hen, I already have 3 in the aviary and I have just given 2 more to my son from another pair!!!! Another question, one of my other Lutino hens has paired up with a pied. Will I get anything interesting when they breed (not another Lutino hen I hope)?
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Post by lovemytiels on Apr 27, 2005 14:32:07 GMT 10
Hi Laraine, again if your male pied is not split for anything & your lutino female is not split for pied you will get grey babies. If she is split for pied then you will get both pied & grey babies. But if the male is split for lutino you could get both male & female babies & if he were split for cinnamon or pearl then you could get these female babies. This is right isn't it Frank?Cheers Anna
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Post by hillcresttiels on Apr 27, 2005 15:44:53 GMT 10
Yep Anna spot on but just to calirify incase Laraine doesn't understand "Split For"this terminology is used when a bird carries hidden genes that are not visible! Frank |
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Post by lovemytiels on Apr 28, 2005 5:33:11 GMT 10
Whoo Hoo, thanks Frank, that means a lot to me.
Laraine a trick I learnt when first breeding tiels & not knowing what hidden genes the males might be carrying is to start keeping a record of what babies you can get from a certain pair & writing everything down, so later on you can then match up the right tiels to get the colours you may be after. Sometimes though I have found that a male that I did not know that was carrying a hidden gene but put to a different female has produced babies that he didn't produce with another female. I find this very exciting at times when breeding tiels especially as I found out a w/faced split for pied male that I have had for yonks was carrying the hidden gene for platinum & it showed up when I paired him with a Lutino pearl split for pied hen but not with the other 2 hens I tried him with. I didn't even know what a platinum tiel was till I got great advise from Frank, he is just the best on genetics. Cheers Anna
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Post by hillcresttiels on Apr 28, 2005 15:50:09 GMT 10
Dont worry Anna i think the forum has a wealth of women who understand their genetics! ;)Between yourself Josiedownunda and looks like Samantha is in the mix maybe i can lay back and take a holiday lol ;D
Still wouldnt mind a dollar for everytime i was asked
"What Would I Get") lol cheers Frank ;D
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Post by Laraine on Apr 28, 2005 17:04:25 GMT 10
Thanks for all your info. It will be interesting when they start breeding, although I don't know what I will put them with. I'd love more pieds as I only have 2 males left, the female died a couple of months back. She was paired with a Lutino and they only produced Lutino babies. It is a good idea to keep a record of who produces what.
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Post by Laraine on Jun 10, 2005 14:53:58 GMT 10
I'm going to attempt to post photos of the cockatiel family. I hope it works. The 2 babies are in the front and the parents on the wire at the back.  One of the babies  The third baby  Babies with mother at front.  |
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Post by hillcresttiels on Jun 10, 2005 15:07:02 GMT 10
Hi Laraine well all those posts about what they will be changes now that you have posted pics of mum and dad! ???As mentioned dad is a grey he is also split to pied and lutino (which means that they are not visible genes but are evident in his sysytem) Mum turns out out to be Pearl and a lovely one at that and not a Cinnamon so the babies stand as the pied could be either sex and if male split pearl and possibly Lutino and the Lutino is a hen and is split pied and the other grey is either sex similar to the pied ;D cheers Frank
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Post by lovemytiels on Jun 10, 2005 19:57:43 GMT 10
Hi Laraine, nice looking babies & very healthy looking too. Frank is this what you would classify as the lacewing pearl in the female?. Also the mum must be split for pied for them to have a pied baby. Cheers Anna
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Post by hillcresttiels on Jun 10, 2005 21:47:30 GMT 10
Hi Anna i would classify her very close to being Lacewing as i think there is a bit of both types of Pearling thru her! she has to be split pied also as the young pied is of a very Light pied variety.Would be interesting to see a side on or rear photo of the lutino to see if there is any pied in her also cheers Frank |
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