Furious

[jeremy]

Well i am one angry chap. In June 2003 i purchased a Green/Blue 'Hen' as it said on the sexing certificate that i recieved with the bird but at the moment it is moulting and i have learnt that this so called Hen is actually a Cock. That was a waste of a breeding season. I had it paired with a blue cock and they seemed to get on alright etc. I am going to sell it and get a Pastelblue hen for the blue cock

[AussieBirds]

I reckon you would be a bit cranky Jeremy especially since you got a certificate with it. I would be letting the person you got it off that you are not happy about it also. It must have been a crumy vet that checked i.

John

[hillcresttiels]

A certificate is a legal binding document if he has signed it you can request a refund or it is case close in a court of law thats the beauty of demanding breeders certificates.

[lovemytiels]

What a bugger Jeremy. Seems even with a certificate that there is no guarantees that you will get a female or even a male. I handreared a blue ringneck last year and was told that it was definately a male due to the genetics but I am not so sure that it is a male. It has gone through it's first moult & there is no indication of a ring. & i am still new to ringnecks so find it all a bit confusing. I did h/rear 4 blues & the only indication of what might be males or females is the shape of their heads but don't know if this is a sure way to tell males from females. Good luck with purchasing your new ringneck. Cheers Anna

[jeremy]

Aussie said:

It must have been a crumy vet that checked it.

It was actually sexed by Peter Wilson in Currumbin which makes me wonder how old the bird was when it was sexed. It could have been too young and the findings weren't accurate.
Unfortunately i don't know who the breeder was that i purchased the bird from so thereforer i cant contact him and get a refund etc. That's why nowadays i always get the name and number of the people i buy birds off

Frank, do you mean if the breeder has signed it or the vet???

Anna, your ringneck that has gone through its first moult, how old is it exactly??

[hillcresttiels]

Just goes to prove the old wives tales on how to sex birds, if nots a Visual identification or a behaviour pattern or a DNA test the rest is all uncertainty!!
Jeremy anything that has a signature on it is a legal document. A breeders certificate ia legal document and a devoted breeder would have his or her name, address, contact No and genetics description of bird and parents and in some cases granparents along with a brief description of the family lines.I always preach to buy yound birds that have been sexed and guaranteed as mature birds are always someone elses problem birds such as feather pluckers..!!cheers

Frank

[lovemytiels]

Hi Jeremy, my Indian ringneck was born around 11/03, so am unsure when they are suppose to get the start of their ring. I have been told anywhere from 2 years onwards. Is this correct. I would have to agree with frank that if I ever buy anymore ringnecks they will have to be dna sexed or surgically sex as it can be very frustrating for future breeding thinking you have a male & it turns out to be female or vise versa. The guy I bought my ringneck from told me as the father is albino & the mother blue that all females will be albino & all blues males. Have aslo checked on my genetic calculator & this should be the case. I don't really know if I will breed from this ringneck as it has become part of the family & was my first ever at h/rearing ringnecks. I have 3 blues at the moment that I have h/reared but they will not make good pets so will probably have to sell them, again very frustrating but hopefully next year I will have my own to h/rear so hopefully I can h/rear them when they are a bit younger. The blues I got were already about 4 weeks old from the same guy but they were just too frightned from the start. Well a lesson learnt there I think. Ringneck babies are not the same as tiel babies. When I take tiels out for h/rearing at 3 weeks it only takes a day or so for the tiels to get use to you, but ringnecks don't seeem to adapt. Never again will I buy ringnecks at this age no matter how good the price LOL. Just too much hard work. Cheers for now Anna

[jeremy]

Frank, the certificate was a surgical sexing card and only the vet signs it.

Anna, your ringnecks should get its ring at the very end of this year or early next year. ie. January. In some cases it may take three years but all of my ringnecks have got their ring at 2 years

[lovemytiels]

Thanks Jeremy, that advise is much appreciated. I didn't realize that it can take this long for the males to get their ring. Bill did tell me it could be from 2 onwards. I am begining to think I might just stick to breeding tiels as they seem so much easier but on second thoughts I love the personalities of the ringnecks, they are such charaters but I found it took my ringneck about 6 months to devolp a personality. My ringneck is the best talker I have & he is so much fun to watch in his cage. Cheers for now Anna

[AussieBirds]

Dont take this as Gospel it is something that I heard but if you pluck a couple of feathers from the area that the ring usually appears on a ringneck before it goes through a moult, after a moult the feathers will come back pink or mauve on a male bird, as i said dont take it as Gospel and is only hearsay.

John

[billspets]

hello all
i would get a dna test done i use dna solutions when getting it done
here is there web site for more information www.dnanow.com/ausbirdindex.htm
then after getting the results if they are different to what the sexing certificate says i would then chalange the vet involved
but it has been my experance that the indian ringnecks dont get there ring till they are between 18 months and 2 years unless the feathers have been plucked
regards
bill

[hillcresttiels]

I have used them also in the past with very young chicks and it is great technology we have on hand now also only 40 minute drive from here but posting samples is very simple cheers

Frank

[jeremy]

Aussie said:

Dont take this as Gospel it is something that I heard but if you pluck a couple of feathers from the area that the ring usually appears on a ringneck before it goes through a moult, after a moult the feathers will come back pink or mauve on a male bird, as i said dont take it as Gospel and is only hearsay.

John

John, you are correct! I have a grey Indian Ringneck Cock and it had been surgically sexed and i got the card and everything with it but the previous owner pucked the feathers around the neck once and he got his ring at 15 months old.

[AussieBirds]

Thanks for the Information on that Jeremy I think that it was posted on this forum so thats a cheap way of sexing your ringnecks.

John

[hillcresttiels]

Hi John that is a cheap solution but the time factor is still a problem for breeders needing room for their aviaries and wanting to sell off young birds with sex enabled so spending 20$ on birds that are for the handrearing-pet business is well worth it cheers

Frank

[AussieBirds]

Yep I agree Frank $20 is nothing especially as DNA is 98% gaurenteed, how long does it take to get the results Frank?

John

[hillcresttiels]

as a member I pay $20 per bird up to 3 birds and $3 extra will get you a result within 48hrs otherwise up to 5 days! ;D

Frank

[AussieBirds]

Thats good service you can't complain about that 48 hours is quick Ill keep them in mind.

John

[billspets]

hello all
frank i was told if you get them to email the results to you you can get it within 24 hours of them getting the feathers for testing just wondering if you know anything about that
regards
bill

[hillcresttiels]

Thats right Bill which is 48 hrs after posting the feathers!Takes 1 day for postage and i day for results or if you drop them off within 24 hrs they will email results allow a bit longer for interstate postage cheers :DFrank