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Post by mummybird on Dec 11, 2005 7:55:42 GMT 10
rocko is mean and nasty and doesnt like me anymore !!! well he doesnt like anyone at all now !!! he goes out of his way to bite me ! he use to let me pat his beak ... not anymore if i an even near the cage he is bashing the bars trying to bite me ! and when i change his food he stands right at the door to bite me... and when i feed him treats now like i use to with a open door him standing at it he will NOT go for the food even his favourite ones but he will get my hand instead of the food.... what did i do wrong...?!?!?! he hates me  even when i change the food cups he runs down and either stands on the door so i cant open it or stands right near it and gets my fingers when the go near the door or in the door to get the cups out. i tryed distracting him by throwing food inside so he can eat it or hanging it through the top so he is far away while i clean his cage but he ignores it and comes after me !!! what do i do now  im trying my best but those bites HURT !!! i cant even sit quietly and talk to him without him trying to bash the cage and bite me. some days he seams ok but within seconds he is a different bird... i swear he has a split personality dissorder...lol i have tryed positive re-inforcement too... when i sit with him i wait till he has given up trying to break the cage to get to me and when he settles down and becomes quiet i reward him... but he doesnt want the food he still wants to bite me....  he IS moulting.... so i guess that is making him cranky but i cant even feed the darn bird without getting a bite !!!! HELP me before i loose my hand....LOL |
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Post by kim1 on Dec 11, 2005 8:25:43 GMT 10
you have to invest in some gardening gloves, he's taken a step up the ladder in determination and if you want to tame him you have to find a way to perservere without reinforcing his behavior, this is what I mean buy the behavior getting worse before it gets better, if you try not to react to the behavior he will hopefully give it up after a while, so you need the gloves so you can pretend the bite has no effect on you, he's going to be a tough nut to crack, but I've had them like this before and just when I'm about to give up most of them settle down, ringnecks are intellegent and determined and he is determined to be in charge, especially around his territory, it will take a long time but perserverence is the key, and you seem to be very patient so I'm betting you will win.
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Post by mummybird on Dec 11, 2005 8:32:01 GMT 10
ohh yeah i forgot about the gloves. my partner wants to get rid of him because he is vicious... pfffffft i aint givin in that easily. rocko is awsome he is just a meanie ! i mean i wouldnt mind if he wasnt tame i would prolly get him a friend and put them in a aviary BUT.... i dont want to me attacked whenever i need to go in.. and he sure isnt scared of people so i atleast want him to be civil and tollerant of me being around !
ok i will get some gloves today ! thanx.
but do you think i am doing everything right so far ?? like it isnt something that i have done wrong? i did let him out again the other day when it was just me and him and he was to busy trying to break everything to worry about attacking me... well he did try a few times i would just push him away or move my feet where he couldnt get them.
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Post by vankarhi on Dec 11, 2005 9:01:21 GMT 10
The gardening gloves is what I was going to say again too. Have you clipped him yet also??? Sometimes clipping them can change their attitude almost instantaniously. I have heard of another ringneck that was very aggressive and would fly at people's faces, I recommended a wing clip (as did others) and she did and the bird is like a totally different bird now. You can always allow the wings to grow back but with an attitude like ROCKO maybe being clipped might be the best thing!!!
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Post by kim1 on Dec 11, 2005 10:30:01 GMT 10
It's not anything you are doing wrong, it seems to be a ringneck thing, once they are let go wild again they seem to become very domoneering and as they aren't afraid of people they bite, takes lots of determination on your part but he can be trained its a matter of time and finding what works for him, some you have to get very bossy with and throw a towel over their head, hold them down for a minute and growl at them, they suddenly realize who is the boss, but without seeing Rocko in person I wouldn't recommend that as yet because some of them become frightened then and you want to avoid that, you doing all you can so far, keep up the goodwork. (I agree with the wing clip also, its time to try this now)
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Post by mummybird on Dec 11, 2005 11:21:05 GMT 10
ok his wing isnt cliped but we can get that done....
and he isnt scared of a towel thats how we pick him up now and he is fine with that doesnt make a fuss... but i dont think i want to try that towel growl yet....lol sound funny... ok getting gloves now and clip wing this arvo...
thanx heaps.
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Post by mummybird on Dec 11, 2005 15:42:35 GMT 10
He He He He.... i got some nice thick gloves now. cant wait till his wing is done so i can see what happens. he got his last bite in today of my hand... little brat. hope we have more sucess now,
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Post by ollie on Dec 11, 2005 18:02:50 GMT 10
Sorry to hear about Rocko turning mean, I hope you can persevere with him, you were going so well too!
Do you think something has upset him to start him off again. Maybe it was the change of diet. My suggestion would be if you can do it is to put him in another cage for a while without all the things he likes. It sounds like a posessive thing to me he doesn't want you near him or his cage so a change of enviroment might help. just a thought and the gloves will stop reaction to the bite which will give him the idea that he's not winning. The wing clip will restrict his movements and that should give you more control too. Good luck!!!!
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Post by mummybird on Dec 11, 2005 19:19:34 GMT 10
the only other Large cage i have is what the cockatiel is in... i mean they could swap but.... the problem with that the whole front opens on that cage.... like the whole front side opens to get inside i'd be scared rocko has more room to come get me....LOL atleast with rockos cage they are only small doors so it slows him down if he was to run out of it.
ok think it is an idea if i swap them ?? i might give it a few days trying with gloves and he has been cliped now... so if that doesnt work i will try swaping the cages over.
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Post by hillcresttiels on Dec 11, 2005 20:43:32 GMT 10
Maybe just give him a little time to settle down again as possibly his hormones are playing up on him (frustrated ) cheers Frank |
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Post by kim1 on Dec 11, 2005 21:12:28 GMT 10
swapping cages is a good idea, but I'd leave it as a last resort, he's had a lot of changes in the last few weeks, and another change might upset him more, but it does sound territorial, he just needs to work out you aren't a threat to his new found territory, that will take time, even us humans like our own rooms, ( though I don't bite anyone who enters)
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Post by vankarhi on Dec 12, 2005 7:33:08 GMT 10
I probably have said this before, but I owned a lutino ringneck (until the then puppy, now dog let the bird out and she flew away with children chasing her down the street). She was handraised and was a sweet thing when I bought her home. Then by the time she was about 12 months old (not sure of the exact time frame) she started to bite everyone even me and it was worse when we put our hands in her cage. I was the only one who could and would handle her. I say "HER" because she turned nasty and apparently the females can be nastier than the males (so I have been told). I can sympathise with you because her bites were very hard. Try all the suggestions and I hope they work for you.
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Post by mummybird on Dec 12, 2005 11:50:12 GMT 10
 rocko is even meaner today... now he knows when he bites my hand isnt going to fly away so he holds onto it and bites my hand even more !!! he wouldnt even take the treats just wanted to bite me !!! and i was just letting him bite to realise i dont care but it still hurts...the hook of his beak was breaking through the leather on the gloves and pinching me... ok so it didnt hurt as much as normal but it still hurt. and i bought the thickest gloves i could find. i didnt try taking him out today just wanted to feed him his treats but he psycho !!! so what now ? what should i try ? i dont know which tips and techniques i should trial now.
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Post by kim1 on Dec 12, 2005 12:48:54 GMT 10
Hey one minute he bites and it works now he bites and it doesn't work the way he hoped, it might take a bit of figuring out, he will try for a while yet, its a waiting game, I wouldn't try anything else just yet, not for a couple of days, it hasn't really been enough time yet to see if it works.
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Post by mummybird on Dec 12, 2005 13:33:41 GMT 10
thats why i didnt try anything cause he didnt grasp the concept of i dont reall care about biting anymore..
we just feeding this treats by hand for the next few days.
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Post by kim1 on Dec 12, 2005 15:44:12 GMT 10
If anyone has the patience to win this bird over its you, A freind of mine had one just like this, they ended up calling him wanker(not a nice name but appropriate at the time) he tried training it for 6 mths and one day the bird caught him off guard and grabbed him by one nostral as he was leaning in to clean the cage,his instant reaction was to swat the bird hard (cause as he said it really really hurt) the bird squarked and ran to the back of the cage, and my freind was frightened that he had hurt the bird but couldn't get near him to see. He hadn't and the bird sulked for a day then seemed to come to an understanding, it has never ever bitten him since, although it would like to eat me when I go there,now he gets kisses from this bird all the time its name has been changed to Buddy and they are great mates, I'm not saying to wack your bird, but it shows how even the nastiest can change.
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Post by mummybird on Dec 12, 2005 17:34:04 GMT 10
LOL...
what a good story... give me some faith now...
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Post by mummybird on Dec 15, 2005 6:20:58 GMT 10
it's only been a few days and rocko is still mean ! and bites even harder ! and still trys to bite you if you within 3 foot of his cage !
those gloves are getting a few holes in them every treat time. he ignores the food and bites me ... only sometimes taking the food with a SNATCH. not like before when he was gentle when receiving food.
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Post by vankarhi on Dec 17, 2005 6:37:50 GMT 10
LOL that was a funny story ;D I know of a guy who says you should be a bit rough/mean to them if they are nasty and he showed me how good his ringneck (the one he had with him at the time) is now. I too am not saying to bash birds either and it is very hard to explain "oneself" on these computers..................I am just repeating what someone told me about ringnecks.
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im trying my best but those bites HURT !!! 
rocko is even meaner today... now he knows when he bites my hand isnt going to fly away so he holds onto it and bites my hand even more !!! he wouldnt even take the treats just wanted to bite me !!! and i was just letting him bite to realise i dont care but it still hurts...the hook of his beak was breaking through the leather on the gloves and pinching me... ok so it didnt hurt as much as normal but it still hurt. and i bought the thickest gloves i could find. i didnt try taking him out today just wanted to feed him his treats but he psycho !!!