Viraba
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Post by Viraba on Apr 18, 2005 18:37:05 GMT 10
Hi Everyone,
I've managed to get hold of some more red-rumps and am trying hard to work out the likely genetic mutations that I might expect from the following pairings.
Pair 1:
Blue Opaline/ Cinnamon (C)
Blue Opaline (H)
Pair 2:
Blue/ Opaline (C)
Lutino (H)
Pair 3:
Opaline/ Lutino (C)
Lutino (H)
Pair 4:
Normal/ Lutino/ Cinnamon (C)
Cinnamon (H)
Pair 5:
Cinnamon/ Lutino (C)
Normal (H)
I've tried the gentics calculator on the web but can't work out what some of the listed mutations are !! A bit frustrating.
I've got some photo's posted in the photo section of some of the birds.
Cheers
Viraba
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Post by hillcresttiels on Apr 18, 2005 18:56:33 GMT 10
1 =50.0% 1.0 blue /cinnamon cock 50.0% 1.0 blue cocks 50.0% 0.1 blue hens 50.0% 0.1 blue cinnamon hens 2= 50.0% 1.0 natural /blue opaline(red) lutino cocks 50.0% 1.0 natural /blue ino cocks 50.0% 0.1 natural opaline(red) /blue hens 50.0% 0.1 natural /blue hens 3= 50.0% 1.0 natural /opaline(red)lutino cocks 50.0% 1.0 ino /opaline(red) cocks 50.0% 0.1 natural opaline(red) hens 50.0% 0.1 ino opaline(red) hens 4= 1.5% 1.0 natural cinnamon cocks 48.5% 1.0 natural cinnamon /lutino cocks 1.5% 1.0 natural /lutino cinnamon cocks 48.5% 1.0 natural /cinnamon cocks 48.5% 0.1 natural hens 1.5% 0.1 Lutino hens 48.5% 0.1 Lutino cinnamon hens 1.5% 0.1 natural cinnamon hens 5= 50.0% 1.0 natural /ino-cinnamon cocks 50.0% 1.0 natural /cinnamon cocks 50.0% 0.1 natural cinnamon hens 50.0% 0.1 ino cinnamon hens Please note natural meaning normal fewwww cheers Frank  |
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Viraba
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Post by Viraba on Apr 18, 2005 21:39:50 GMT 10
Thanks Frank,
What do you mean by 'ino' ? and why the nomination of (red) in the following ?
"50.0% 1.0 natural /blue opaline (red) lutino cocks"
Does this mean that the cocok will be split blue opaline AND split lutino as well ?
Cheers
Viraba
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Post by jeremy on Mar 6, 2006 16:18:29 GMT 10
Frank i don't know what calculator you are using but basically everything you have said is wrong.
Viraba, you will get the following
Pair 1:
Blue Opaline Cocks
Blue Opaline/Cinnamon Cocks
Blue Opaline Hens
Cinnamon Blue Opaline Hens
Pair 2:
Normal/Blue/Lutino Cocks
Normal/Blue/Lutino/Opaline Cocks
Normal/Blue Hens
Opaline/Blue Hens
Pair 3:
Normal/Lutino/Opaline Cocks
Lutino/Opaline Cocks
Opaline Hens
Lutino Opaline Hens
Pair 4:
Normal/Cinnamon/Lutino Cocks
Cinnamon Cocks
Normal/Cinnamon Cocks
Cinnamon/Lutino Cocks
Cinnamon hens
Lutino Hens
Normal Hens
Lacewing hens
Pair 5:
Normal/Cinnamon/Lutino Cocks
Normal/Lutino Cocks
Cinnamon Hens
Lutino Hens
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Post by vankarhi on Mar 7, 2006 17:05:21 GMT 10
Jeremy what do you mean by "calulator"..............remember you are talking to a total novice when it comes to genetics. Is there some mechanism that you can just key in the colours (as best known) and it will give you a list of possible outcomes???
If that is the case, I need not learn about genetics then hey ;D I will just get one of those "thingy's".................just joking. ;D ;D ;D I do find it totally fascinating how genetics "work".
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Post by jeremy on Mar 7, 2006 18:34:56 GMT 10
There are websites that allow you to just ype in what colour the parents are and it will tell you the babies you can get.
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Post by vankarhi on Mar 7, 2006 20:29:13 GMT 10
Oh ok, but wouldn't it make a difference depending on the background of the parents too??? Just curious??
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Post by jeremy on Mar 7, 2006 20:47:13 GMT 10
If you know what all the birds are split to then it will give you accurate results.
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Post by vankarhi on Mar 8, 2006 7:48:12 GMT 10
Really showing my ignorance here, but do some breeders actually keep track of what the birds are bred to..............say like a pedigree in dogs and cats??
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Post by jeremy on Mar 8, 2006 13:31:19 GMT 10
well most good breeders do.
nobody want to buy a certain colour, and then breed it to find out that it had several different undesirable splits. But then again, it can be a nice surprise.
But yes, most breeder do keep track of what they breed and how they bred it.
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Post by North West Red Rumps on Mar 8, 2006 18:18:18 GMT 10
do u no a calculator website that i can use thanx
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Post by vankarhi on Mar 8, 2006 21:40:05 GMT 10
I don't but you could try googling "genetic calculator for birds" or something like that...............see what you get. I just might try it myself just to see what it is. I am sure someone with a lot of experience (Jeremy  ) will point us in the right direction. |
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Post by AussieBirds on Mar 9, 2006 9:34:04 GMT 10
do u no a calculator website that i can use thanx There are a number of calculators on the net but they are rather confusing at time I prefer to post here where i know the information I get from Jeremy is accurate. John |
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Post by jeremy on Mar 9, 2006 17:35:44 GMT 10
Thanks guys and gals ;D I don't particularly like using genetics calculators as they are often made by people overseas and the names are all different. I know most of the proper names but it can be confusing at times. Most people use this one, i don't like it. I am pretty sure this is the one that frank used and he had a few wrong answers so it isn't entirely accurate. www.gencalc.com/ |
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Post by North West Red Rumps on Mar 9, 2006 18:18:18 GMT 10
ive got 3 pairs
1 pair is a Cinnamon Opaline Cock with a Cinnamon Pied Hen
Pair 2 is a Blue Pied Split Pied cock with a silver hen
Pair 3 is a Blue Pied cock with a Blue Opaline Hen
what can i expect
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Post by jeremy on Mar 9, 2006 20:19:32 GMT 10
ok, you will get:
Pair 1 - Cinnamon Opaline Cock x Cinnamon Pied hen:
=Cinnamon/Opaline/Pied Cocks
=Cinnamon Opaline/Pied Hens
Pair 2 - Blue Pied Cock x Silver Hen...i am not too sure as i don't actually breed Red Rumps, is 'Silver' another name for Cinnamon Blue?
Pair 3 - Blue Pied Cock x Blue Opaline Hen:
=Blue/Opaline/Pied Cocks
=Blue/Pied Hens
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Post by North West Red Rumps on Mar 13, 2006 16:33:43 GMT 10
a silver is a cinnamon blue opaline
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Post by jeremy on Mar 13, 2006 16:46:23 GMT 10
Hmm i always thought 'Silver' was referring to Cinnamon Blue?
Well in that case:
Blue Pied Cock x Cinnamon Blue Opaline Hen
=Blue/Cinnamon/OPaline/Pied Cocks
=Blue/Pied Hens
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Post by North West Red Rumps on Mar 13, 2006 18:07:33 GMT 10
my blue pied cock with the silver isnt the best so what would you say be the best to put with her in your opinion i thought a lutino opaline or plain lutino or plain opaline
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Post by AussieBirds on Mar 13, 2006 18:52:51 GMT 10
my blue pied cock with the silver isnt the best so what would you say be the best to put with her in your opinion i thought a lutino opaline or plain lutino or plain opaline With that pairing you would get possible Albino .....am i right Jeremy |
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