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Post by AussieBirds on Jul 23, 2005 11:18:39 GMT 10
You all remember Aussie the baby cockatiel that we almost lost, and would have had it not been for the quick thinking of Deb ( Chickabee).
Well Aussie is now a healthy little bird covered with feathers and even has that cockatiel cheek patch, my question is regarding colour it would seem that Aussie and the other baby are both going to be pearls, and indeed are very heavily pearled, The father is a pied the mother is a pearl I have no idea what the grandparents are as far as colour is concerned but i would have thought the two babies would have been pied split to pearl. Frank can you shed any light on this for me regarding the mutation please, do the grandparents colour come into the equation, is it purely dependent on the parents, to make a famous quote here " Please explain ".
John
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Post by hillcresttiels on Jul 23, 2005 12:18:57 GMT 10
Hi John in your case it's quite obvious that the father of the chicks is split to pearl.this is a trait passed on from one of his parents(aussies granparents) and because mum is pearl all the chicks will be of either sex! also all chicks born will be split to pied!  To produce Pieds mum has to be split or carry the pied gene as well as the dad  Cheers Frank |
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Post by AussieBirds on Jul 23, 2005 18:14:28 GMT 10
Thanks Frank am I right in assuming that babies do take on the colour characteristics of the parents ?
John
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Post by lovemytiels on Jul 24, 2005 5:21:35 GMT 10
Hi John, in most cases the babies will take on the color characteristics of the parents. For an example I have a pair of tiels where the mother is a lacewing grey split for pied being mainly grey with the yellow lacewing on the wings, back & some yellow through the front & the father is a yellow pearl pied. They will either produce an all yellow tiel with the pearling on the wings with a touch of pied taking after their father or they will produce mainly lacewing greys split for pied taking after their mother. Or sometimes something comes up & you think where the heck did that color come from but the characteristics have been passed on down the lines somewhere. Cheers Anna
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Post by hillcresttiels on Jul 24, 2005 6:56:33 GMT 10
Hi John possibly in your case the babies will take on a color characteristic of the parents but generally it's not the case as the genetic background of the bird is more the dominant reason of the color tones.For eg if the father of your chicks was to carry Cinnamon or Lutino then some chicks will appear in those colors,totally different to the parents color characteristics. Also 2 Pied varieties can produce offspring with totally different markings! So even for those of us who are a little genetically minded there is always an element of surprise with some varieties in the nest!  cheers Frank |
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Post by ollie on Jul 24, 2005 8:39:02 GMT 10
Hi Frank, While your answering questions I have one for you. I have a normal grey cock mated with a cinnamon pearl hen and they have bred many times usually with resultant babies being either grey pearl, grey or lutinos. Why can't I get a cinnamon pearl amongst them or does the cock bird colour dominate. Mind you I know zilch about genetics but have been told the lutinos will always be hens. Is this correct!
Bev
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Post by hillcresttiels on Jul 24, 2005 12:01:14 GMT 10
Yes Ollie all Lutino's will be hens you probably have bred a bird that you haven't noticed by the genetics of the dad and that is a Lutino-Pearl you have to look closely for spasmodic light yellow pearling across the wings and are one of my favorite mutations, but to answer your Cinnamon question dad needs to carry Cinnamon for your pairing to produce visual Cinnamons. Any males born from that pairing will be Grey split Cinnamon split Pearl and possibly split Lutino and Lutino-Pearl so as you can see these young males will go on to breed a array of combinations! good luck cheers Frank |
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Post by ollie on Jul 24, 2005 20:27:33 GMT 10
Thanks Frank, I am keen to see what comes out this time. They have two babies at the moment just hatched a couple of days ago.
Regards Bev
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Post by Laraine on Jul 25, 2005 11:24:21 GMT 10
I have the same problem Bev. I've got the cinnamon pearl mother with a grey/lutino father. I'd love to get cinnamon pearl babies but no luck. I'm hoping that down the track one of their babies will be a male and will produce cinnamon babies. So far they have produced 1 lutino hen and 1 pied and one sort of grey (not sure of sex at the moment).
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Post by ollie on Jul 25, 2005 11:45:48 GMT 10
These two are the best breeders every year double clutch, would do more but I won't let them!
I think twice a year is enough.
I have had quite a few lutinos and grey pearls some pieds and some greys but your idea of keeping a male baby is a good one. You would have to put it with a cinnamon wouldn't you. i'm hopeless with genetics, Frank would be able to tell us. Help Frank!!!
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Post by hillcresttiels on Jul 25, 2005 14:07:13 GMT 10
Hi Guys as long as cock is carrying Cinnamon or Cinnamon-Pearl then he will have the capacity to produce hens that are of Cinnamon varieties and in both your cases as Laraine has impressively mentioned one of the Grey male offspring will have this capability Frank |
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To produce Pieds mum has to be split or carry the pied gene as well as the dad 
cheers
