ringneck genetics

[MIR]

hi guys,I have tried to work through genetic calc ,but got confused,because it is complicated.The owner tells me to punch grey and blue for GREY and ino and cinnamon for CREAM INO.Can ,any one kindly look into it and tell us how to look for more common mutations like albino,lutino,lacewings,cream ino etc.....thanx....Mir

[lovemytiels]

Hi Adafar, have to agree with you, the genetic calulator for ringnecks are confusing lol. I have the Bird Tracker by Cabin Software & bugger if I know how to use it properly for ringnecks. Frank, Hillcrest Tiels is a whizz with genetics so hopefully he might be able to steer you in the right direction. Cheers Anna

[MIR]

Thanks Anna.....it's nice to have company in a rocking boat........May I ask Frank or Hillcrest Tiels to throw some light on my request ,if they view this?.........regards....mir

[hillcresttiels]

Hi Adafar which calculator are you using as you must be aware of the abbreviations to choose the correct variety.As Creamino is a proper term for a combination of mutations it is not ino and cinnamon it is a combination of Par Blue Torquoise and Lutino(ino)as Albino is a combination of Blue and Lutino.Lacewing is another term for Opaline so as you see If you have a Creamino Ringie then in the Calculator you punch Par-blue and punch Ino together. For Albino you punch Blue and Ino together for lacewing substitute for opaline hope this helps cheers

Frank

[MIR]

Hi,Thanks Frank,here is the gencalc address,http://www.gencalc.com/
If you can kindly have a look at it and let us know how to use it for more common colours.....Thanks

[MIR]

Hi Frank,For albino male and grey female,i punched blue ino and grey blue,
1.0 blue ino x 0.1 grey(df) blue

100.0% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /ino

100.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue ino

as per my understanding,I get all males grey/albino and females.......I don,t know.See ,here is the confusion.....Mir

[hillcresttiels]

Unfortunately with this particular calculator you need to understand the varieties and abbreviations to their prpoer names to use corectly and would take a long long post to explain. What you need to remember is the male varieties and their splits are on the left column and the hens are on right side columns and use the terms mentioned above for some input and muck around with it till it comes to you.

Frank

[hillcresttiels]

yes what you have punched is correct but if you look closer at the bottom results you have a Grey sf Albino because you use grey it is a dominant factor meaning it will overide most varieties try using the male with a Ino hen and see the results cheers Frank

[MIR]

ok,with a cream ino male(parblue ino) and albino female(blue ino),i get,as per calc,
turq(par blue)ino/blue,
males and females in equal number.....in common terms what is this mutation?

[hillcresttiels]

As i said this calculator is confusing you have punched torquoise(par blue) which is another form of creamino.The breeding results you have come up with is the Turquoise variety you can view some of the 200 odd ringneck mutations available now in the states at this site home.wanadoo.nl/psittaculaworld/PsittaculaWorld.htm
click on Psittacula mutations at the top of the page then click on the ring neck picture when the new page appears cheers

Frank

[MIR]

hi guys,I have done some work on the gencalc and found some way to understand it.Please punch following keys for your desired combinations:-

for albino , punch blue and ino
for grey ,punch grey and blue,please be mindful of DF and SF
for cream ino punch turq(par blue)and ino
for blue lacewing punch blue and pallid
for grey lacewing punch grey ,blue,pallid
for pastel blue lacewing punch turq (par blue),pallid
for pastel blue punch turq(par blue)
for pastel grey punch grey,turq(par blue)

I have cross checked the results in Bastiaans Book,the number of chicks is not exactly the same ,but all the (results)birds appearing on gen calc are mentioned in the book,for example,albino(blue ino) x Turq(par blue) ,worked on gen calc gives :-
turq/blue ino males
turq ino/blue females

In the Bastiaans book,page54,it says,albino x turq
25% blue/ino
25% turq/ino

females
25% albino
25% turq ino

Here ,we see,turq(parblue) and turq ino(cream ino) in both calculations.
Some one may kindly look into other combinations on both i.e gencalc and The Bastiaan Book and enlighten us all,Thanks

[Qringneck]

Hi Mir
Your not alone out there
I also have Birdtracker (3 months now)
and i am still trying to come to terms with the calculations.
If i learn anything soon i will let you know
Rgds
Graham

[Qringneck]

Hi all
I recently purchased RM3 for ringnecks
It is fantastic
Pick your colourd by name cock/hen press go and snap you have the colours and percentages
Rgds
G

[hillcresttiels]

Hi Graham that is a good calculator any chance of emailing the installation file ;Dcheers

Frank

[jeremy]

hillcresttiels said:

Lacewing is another term for Opaline

Wrong!
Lacewing = CinnamonLutino
An Opaline is a completely different mutation than Lacewing. Opaline is a primary mutation. Whereas, Lacewing is a secondary mutation.

[eaglebarr]

i have a violet male with a violet darkgreen/blue female what are my possabilties.i was told i could get double facter violet and colbalt blues?

[madaussie]

Pics would be great .
j

[avinet]

Feb 8, 2009 2:12:14 GMT 10 eaglebarr said:

i have a violet male with a violet darkgreen/blue female what are my possabilties.i was told i could get double facter violet and colbalt blues?

Do you know if the pair are double factor violet? Also is the grey-green (I assume that is what you mean by dark green?) also double factor?

It has a significant effect on the results. Once you know this it is simple to plug it into Gencalc 1.3

cheers,

Mike

[uno]

Mar 6, 2006 15:38:13 GMT 10 @jeremy said:

hillcresttiels said:

Lacewing is another term for Opaline

Wrong!
Lacewing = CinnamonLutino
An Opaline is a completely different mutation than Lacewing. Opaline is a primary mutation. Whereas, Lacewing is a secondary mutation.

Hi, sorry to dredge up an old post but google search brought me here. I'm trying to use gencalc to determine the offspring of a Pastal Violet/Lacewing cock and a Pastal Blue Lacewing hen. I typed in Pallid for lacewing as that is what I beleived the alternate term for them was as well, the chicks would be a variety of Pastal Violet and Blue Lacewing's etc...which is whatI expected. But if CinnamonLutino should be entered instead of Opaline as stated above, then it seems to throw Creamino's etc into the mix. I'm confused. Can someone advise on the correct genetic code to enter? I realy hadn't expected, nor do I want, a bunch of 'ino' birds from this pairing and may have to retink if that is the case.

[avinet]

Feb 21, 2009 9:18:40 GMT 10 uno said:

Mar 6, 2006 15:38:13 GMT 10 @jeremy said:

Wrong!
Lacewing = CinnamonLutino
An Opaline is a completely different mutation than Lacewing. Opaline is a primary mutation. Whereas, Lacewing is a secondary mutation.

Hi, sorry to dredge up an old post but google search brought me here. I'm trying to use gencalc to determine the offspring of a Pastal Violet/Lacewing cock and a Pastal Blue Lacewing hen. I typed in Pallid for lacewing as that is what I beleived the alternate term for them was as well, the chicks would be a variety of Pastal Violet and Blue Lacewing's etc...which is whatI expected.

I noticed this topic a while ago but given the age of the posts I didn't reply. As has been said, Lacewing doesn't equal opaline, a completely different mutation.

The confusion with lacewing arises because there have been two different applications of the term in Australia. The first was for a visual cinnamonlutino - in appearance mid way between cinnamon and lutino. The second is the lacewing mutation that results in the head colour being different from the body colour - and more accurately known as pallid.

Using Gencalc 1.3 for your birds, for the cock ticking violet single factr and Turquoise (=pastel) for the visual part, and pallid (=lacewing) for the split; The for the hen tick turquoise and pallid to give you the pastel blue lacewing combination will give you the following result.

1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid x 0.1 turquoise(parblue) pallid
% from all 1.0
25.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) pallid
25.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid
25.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) /pallid
25.0% 1.0 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) /pallid
% from all 0.1
25.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue)
25.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf)
25.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) pallid
25.0% 0.1 turquoise(parblue) violet(sf) pallid

Which is probably much as you hoped for. If you have a double factor violet then all the babies will be either pastel violets or pastel violet lacewings.


Gencalc is a great tool for working out colour expectations from breeding pairs - though it is sometimes a bit difficult to work out how it's "official" names correspond to the popular names that are in use.

cheers.

Mike