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Post by Jacksprat on Sept 23, 2005 19:25:50 GMT 10
I have a WF/L/platinum/PL split cock that has cross-mated with an extra female who is pure lutino. They produced a lutino with the platinum pearling. So that should be a hen right?? The family who bought the H/R baby off me reported back that it was talking, something a hen is not supposed to do, so I thought. Genetically it should be a hen?  I'm confused |
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Post by hillcresttiels on Sept 23, 2005 21:10:56 GMT 10
That mating will also produce platino cocks!! so is it pearling or is it splashes of plat? if its pearling and the dam (Lutino)didn't carry pearl then it will be a hen!
Frank
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Post by lovemytiels on Sept 24, 2005 5:09:31 GMT 10
Hi Jacksprat, female cockatiels can whistle & talk it is just that males are better. It is unusual but not unheard of. Some can say a few words but they don't seem to be a proficient as males at talking. If it is a hen then they are really lucky that it is talking as they are very difficult to train to talk. I have only ever had 2 female tiels talk in the last 10 years or so of breeding tiels & that was only a few words. Cheers Anna
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Post by josiedownunda on Sept 24, 2005 8:06:20 GMT 10
So you are saying your cockbird is visually a whiteface platino? or is it the normal dark grey and white and carries splits? A cockbird that is split to lutino and platinum will visually be platino and is usually written as such. In this case your bird would be a whiteface platino split pearl. If it isn't visually platino then it may carry different splits to those you mentioned. Do you have a picture of the chick you could send in? Sometimes it is easier to tell when you can visually see the bird.
Jo-Anne
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Post by Jacksprat on Oct 17, 2005 10:05:39 GMT 10
The cock bird is normal WF split to pied, lutino, platinum and pearl. His mate is the visual of his split, ie. WF-L-Pl-prl. The chick was definitly splashed with the plat. in the wavy way the above mentioned female is. The male has since produced with the same Lutino (the other woman) a lutino pearl - no platinum. So I know the plat and prl are on different genes. And I'm guessing this new one should be a female too?? I sent in a photo of the WF-L-Pl-prl because I wasn't sure if it was plat or cinn. The general opinion was shes a platimun. So is plat a sex-linked clour then?
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Post by josiedownunda on Oct 17, 2005 11:08:02 GMT 10
Hi Jackspratt,
I hate to tell you but if your bird is just a normal whiteface..ie dark grey and white...then he cannot be split to both lutino and platinum. He would visually be a whiteface platino if that is the case.
Also the hen cannot be a platinum lutino either. She can be platinum or lutino but not both. Platinum and lutino are both from the same family and thus occupy the same position on the chromosome. Only one gene can occupy any position at one time so it is impossible for a lutino and a platinum to be on the one chromosome. Seeing a hen has only one chromosome that carries sex-linked genes there cannot be a lutino and platinum in the one hen.
Platinum is definately a sex-linked gene as is cinnamon, pearl and lutino.
Jo-Anne
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Post by Jacksprat on Oct 17, 2005 11:48:39 GMT 10
So are they cinnamon then?
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Post by hillcresttiels on Oct 17, 2005 11:56:08 GMT 10
Hi Jacquie I agree with Jo-Anne and from what you post doesn't add up so I suggest you post what you think your cock and hens genetic makeup is with out the abbreviations. From what you say I would be more inclined to think that where you have Platinum it might be possible that it's cinnamon and you have bred a Lutino Cinnamon possibly
Frank
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Post by Jacksprat on Oct 17, 2005 12:10:15 GMT 10
I have a photo in the tiels section called "Platinum or Cinnamon". I just found it and put it at the top of the list again so you could tell me what you think with my new info. I know basic genetics and how to write it, I'm just not sure if it's cin or plat. It's only that he's also bred with a pure lutino that I can pick his genes. It dosen't bother me either way, I'd just like to know for sure for genetic reasons.
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Post by Jacksprat on Oct 17, 2005 12:16:56 GMT 10
Sorry, I just looked at how I originally wrote his genetic colour, it should be WF split to lutino prl cin or plat. I say that because he has produced those mutations in chicks with two different hens- one in the photo and the other a pure yellow lutino.
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Post by hillcresttiels on Oct 17, 2005 12:40:56 GMT 10
Hi Jacquie I have responded to the other post prior to this one and all makes a bit more sense now although I can tell you if the male in question has produced Lutino for you then you can definately remove Platinum from his charts and replace it with Cinnamon! ;D
Frank
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Post by Jacksprat on Oct 17, 2005 13:03:40 GMT 10
Thanks Detective Frank, that has taken a lot of figuring out. So basically they are a miss matched pair, genetically speaking. You have helped heaps.
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Post by Jacksprat on Oct 19, 2005 13:08:24 GMT 10
I'm getting a handle on the platino now, I've been re-reading the posts and also the article in AustNCS bu Mike Anderson, but I just have one more question. Can my WF/pd cock be split to platino? I'll really know for sure once his babies feather up, but I'm too anxious to wait.
Ta
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Post by josiedownunda on Oct 19, 2005 13:21:16 GMT 10
Hi Jacksprat, No a cock bird cannot be split platino. It can be split to platinum or split to lutino but because both platinum and lutino are the same family of genes if both were present the bird would be visually platinum lutino ie platino. I have written an article on platino that is on my website. It may help you understand exactly how it all works if you are interested in taking a look. The addy is members.optusnet.com.au/~geoffwatts1/Platinum.htmlJo-Anne |
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Post by Jacksprat on Oct 19, 2005 13:40:53 GMT 10
Thanxs Jo-Anne, I'll study it.
It will drive me crazy until I fully know what my birds really are. I now have a few options and am waiting for the current to chicks to feather to confirm it. Last year they only had one which was the same as the hen. they have 3 right now, less than a week old. It was the mating with the extra lutino hen that caused all my confusion in the first place. In case you didn't see it, the pair in question have a photo in another post in the Cockatiels section called Platinum or Cinnamon.
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