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Post by josiedownunda on Feb 12, 2005 14:45:56 GMT 10
At the risk of flogging a dead horse here I have posted a pic of my platinum and one of 2 cinn lutinos. This should explain my theory on calling the bird a platinum   Jo-Anne |
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Post by billspets on Feb 12, 2005 14:57:41 GMT 10
hello all
well i must say very nice birds jo-anne seeing the 2 together now i must admit that i can see the differences between the 2 but having a look at the platinum it is hard to say what taras is
regards
bill
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Post by hillcresttiels on Feb 12, 2005 16:08:19 GMT 10
Ok to me the top photo looks like a Lutino-Cinnamon and not a Cinnamon-Lutino! there is a difference as the first named mutation giving it the bulk of appearance! cheers
Frank
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Post by josiedownunda on Feb 12, 2005 16:14:27 GMT 10
Ok well you learn something new everyday!! That is something I didn't realize! I thought the words could be written either way around as long as they were both there. That does make sense though. Thankyou for the lesson!
Regards
Jo-Anne
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Post by hillcresttiels on Feb 12, 2005 16:44:25 GMT 10
Jo-Anne I am not always correct and we never stop learning and I plaudit your efforts. To achieve the terminolgy with this confusing mutations if the Sire is a Cinnamon split or visual Lutino and the Dam is a Cinnamon then a hen born from this pairing will be a Cinnamon-Lutino! If the Sire is a Lutino Split or Visual Cinnamon and the dam is a Lutino then the offspring hen will be Lutino-Cinnamon! If the pairing is a combination of all the above then the major appearance of the bird ie Lutino or Cinnamon gives it the naming rights!  I dont have a problem with breeders breeding this mutation as long as it is documented and the breeder is aware of the birds genetic status As you know very well I am dead against breeders combining Platinum with Cinnamon which produces a Mongrel color tones which cannot be distinguished!  cheers Frank |
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Post by SunConure on Feb 12, 2005 16:58:59 GMT 10
Angel looks more like this one. |
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Post by josiedownunda on Feb 12, 2005 17:19:08 GMT 10
Thanks for explaining the method of correct terminology. That makes my pic of the 2 birds both cinnamon lutinos I think. Dad was a cinn wf/lutino and mum was a cinn pearl. For some reason they never seem to get much cinnamon colour to them only the dirty look to the tail and flights. Both of the birds in the pic were only about 8 weeks old so maybe the cinnamon darkened up with age. I don't keep this colour as breeders just sell the birds as handraised babies. It is the cinnamon chicks from this pair that are really nice big birds.
Reagrds
Jo-Anne
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Post by hillcresttiels on Feb 12, 2005 17:36:02 GMT 10
Ok now for the confusing part as you know genetics is not always simple! The two birds in the photo definately look like Lutino-Cinnamons to me! as the major tone is Lutino, you know when you breed Two sex linked varieties together their is always a chance of crossover especially with Lutino and Cinnamon the chances are about 30%. If the genetics are correct in your case I would say that crossover has occured and main gene created was the Lutino gene with the birds receiving one Cinnamon chromosone from dad and one from mum you've ended up with a Lutino Cinnamon.The key factor in these mutations is primary appearance of the the bird does it look like a Cinnamon or does it look like a Lutino this will generally tell which is the leading gene! cheers Frank |
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Post by josiedownunda on Feb 12, 2005 17:50:26 GMT 10
Steady on there Frank...I just got left at the station!!LOL
In this case these birds have to be hens and so wouldn't the lutino and cinnamon be equal...ie. 50%....as they got the cinnamon and lutino from dad and neither from mum as sex-linked genes aren't passed from mum to daughter?? Now as dad is cinnamon then they are going to get cinn regardless of which chromosome they get and they happened also to get the one carrying the lutino as well. I know dad got the cinn and lutino from his dad as well as pearl. I am eager to learn more about this so keep on trying to explain. I may be slow but eventually the bell will ring!!LOL
Jo-Anne
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Post by billspets on Feb 12, 2005 17:58:55 GMT 10
you got left at the station jo-anne me they are still bulding my station man you's left me behind agas ago  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by SunConure on Feb 12, 2005 18:05:09 GMT 10
is this the platinum or cinnamon lutino cause angel looks exactly like this cockatiel. Same markings on the tail and wings everything expect that my girls crest has been plucked. |
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Post by hillcresttiels on Feb 12, 2005 18:38:56 GMT 10
Sun conure the photo shows a Platinum hen very similar to a Cinnamon-Lutino!
Frank
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Post by hillcresttiels on Feb 12, 2005 18:52:35 GMT 10
Yes you are correct Jo-Anne! so with the crossover the Lutino gene gets all the favours the Cinnamon was supposed to and expresses itself visually primarily! Crossover still needs to be studied as there is still a lot of unanswered questions but like i mentioned prior the only thing we have to remember as breeders for documentation purposes is the Primary gene will express itself visibly and the other secondary eg your birds Look more like Lutino than Cinnamon but the parents breeding suggest otherwise so you can confidently predict that cross-over has occured.Similar to a bird that has been bred from a Ciinamon father and a Pearl hen,that bird if male will carry both genes and when he reproduces he should breed Cinnamon and Pearl Hens if cross-over occurs he can produce Cinnamon-Pearls again the percentage is about 30%.
Thats it for me cheers
Frank
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