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Post by xoxoEbzxoxo on Aug 22, 2007 17:18:20 GMT 10
In my aviary I keep a pair of cockateils and a budgie and a Turk parrot.
The Budgie and the Turk both lost their mates, but they weren't interested in their mates any way.
They were lonely for a while until they started to like each other. They preened each other and everything and the turk laid three eggs in a nest box, but the eggs never hatched.
Today the turk was looking for a nest box to lay more eggs.
Would eggs the turk lay hatch?
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Post by Phill on Aug 22, 2007 20:00:55 GMT 10
I don't know but i belive hybreeding is wrong and personally i wouldn't give them a box..
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Post by sebzpets on Aug 22, 2007 20:19:13 GMT 10
I'm not sure that genetically they could have fertile eggs. I'm not a fan of xing anything. What the likes of breeding so called "designer dogs" and their major advertising by a former "gardening" tv personality is appalling. Designer pets DO NOT exist nor should they. It's a Xbreed and therefore a dilution of a sound breed. Sorry I know I am harsh but breed mutations are completely uncalled for and create nothing but a huge lot of animals/birds requiring rescuing ultimately.
Thankfully unlike dogs and cats,birds don't normally (nor shall they) deliberately mutate with another breed outside of their species specific genre.
Ok I am off my soapbox for now.....sorry Roxy but I would not be giving them a box,but trying to find new partners for them OR housing them so they can't breed and if they did than I would be removing any eggs laid.
Cheers
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Post by vankarhi on Aug 22, 2007 20:59:06 GMT 10
I am not for mixed breeding either...........but gee what would they look like if they did somehow have babies?? I know with dogs the "designer" dogs and breeders really upset me. I have a friend who was going to breed "designer" dogs to make money. I got pretty upset with her because the sort of money she was going to charge was not much different I was going to charge for any pure bred Staffies (pedigree and registered too) I managed to breed with Summa. She never managed to fall pregnant (the male was not a "studly type dog" LOL) and I had her desexed. You know what my friend told me.............well why don't you charge more for them???  Sorry I digressed then. |
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Post by sebzpets on Aug 22, 2007 21:15:18 GMT 10
Ahh Tracey my love it's not the digression you should apologise for but the...."what would they look like"....JMO but the worst comment anyone could make, as it stokes "the kids wanted to see" mentality,well to me it does sorry
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Post by Minna on Aug 22, 2007 23:13:26 GMT 10
A little off-topic, sorry, but aren't the different breeds of dogs all canis lupus familiaris? So the difference between a labrador and a border collie, for instance, while visually quite striking, is genetically about the same as the difference between two mutations of peach-face? Hence why some birds are completely unable to breed, or produce infertile offspring, whereas mongrels are all much the same? Though yeah, I agree that 'designer breeds' are both ridiculous and problematic for a number of reasons.  |
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Post by Jane on Aug 23, 2007 8:37:17 GMT 10
I doubt the eggs would hatch and I wouldn't try anyway because if the chicks were disabled and died or had a difficult life I would find that heartbreaking.
Deliberate cross breeding is actually not allowed in some states, I know it's part of the licensing for birds in Qld.
Minna that's interesting to read because I know in birds the colour mutations within a breed are just 1 gene changing. However I agree that crossbreeding is wrong.
Roxy I hope you don't think we've jumped on you, its just something I feel strongly about.
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Post by sebzpets on Aug 23, 2007 15:30:32 GMT 10
Agree with Jane....Our opinions are ours and I am sorry if I come accross so strongly Roxy.
If birds/dogs/humans decide to be inter-racial that is one thing but deliberate should be a no-no.
Look at what happened to Hitler after all with his so called master race.
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Post by vankarhi on Aug 23, 2007 16:13:31 GMT 10
Ok......... aren't IRN's bred to Alex's to get the different colours??? Then the IRN is bred back out. I realise they are similar genius (as in both Asiatic ringnecks). This is how some of the colour hybrids have come about in different breeds of birds.
That is just a comment or .......... maybe just me thinking out loud. Not trying to deliberately cause an arguement here.
I am not for deliberate mixed breeding either. It is that I just remembered reading that IRN's were crossed with Alex's to get the lutino's and the blues and obviously other mutations or hybrids.
Maybe I should just be quiet. LOL ;D
As long as this topic doens't get out of hand, it is actually quite interesting ............ well I think so anyway.
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Post by Phill on Aug 23, 2007 16:56:05 GMT 10
Yep your right Tracey. Differnt alex colour's are achieved by breeding IRN to a Alex and then breeding the IRN out in 5 generation's.
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Post by sebzpets on Aug 23, 2007 17:10:25 GMT 10
Poultry breeds are crossed as well so as to re-create breeds that are no longer here in OZ or to create new colours. In some ways I am all for bringing back some of our rarer breeds of poultry by this process,as well as getting colours that are available freely in the UK and US yet due to our quarantine laws are unable to be imported.
I just don't see the viability of xing a budgie and a turq...nor do I see any acceptable reason for it for either breed. JMO
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Post by xoxoEbzxoxo on Aug 24, 2007 17:55:30 GMT 10
I can't really take the nest boxes out because the other birds in there need to nest in them. I have been trying to look for a male turq, but there isn't much breeders around here.
I had to get rid of the budgies mate because she kept attacking innocent baby cockateils and almost killed one.
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Post by Jane on Aug 24, 2007 19:14:47 GMT 10
You did the right thing Roxy, hen budgies are evil when in mixed aviaries, I had 1 kill 4 'tiel chicks even when she had 6 chicks of her own, it was the first and last time I will let a hen budgie near anyone breeding. As you can't take the box out just keep removing the eggs so no accidents occur  |
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Post by xoxoEbzxoxo on Aug 24, 2007 19:34:57 GMT 10
Thanx for that Jane
I was thinking after reading an artical in the Birdtalk mag about a Conure and a lovebird liking each other the owner of the two birds also had a pair of teils nesting at the same time put the teils eggs underneath the lovebird so she had some eggs to sit on and babies to look after that wern't Xbreeds.
Would that work for me?
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Post by Jane on Aug 24, 2007 20:12:15 GMT 10
It probably would Roxy, if you have some spares give it a try just if you used tiel eggs probably just let the turq hatch two as she may have trouble keeping the feed up to tiel chicks as they will be bigger than her by 3-4 weeks. |
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Post by vankarhi on Aug 26, 2007 9:05:35 GMT 10
Can you take the male budgie out and just have him as a pet? Or find him a home? Or get him another "wife"?
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Post by vankarhi on Aug 26, 2007 9:06:01 GMT 10
But also letting her adopt some babies.........sounds good to me too. ;D
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Post by sebzpets on Aug 27, 2007 17:35:20 GMT 10
Allowing her to adopt some eggs would also reduce the instance of her possibly becoming egg-bound as she would possibly lay almost continuely with you taking her eggs away.
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