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Post by angelicvampyre on Feb 27, 2009 8:20:05 GMT 10
Ok I have been researching love birds like mad to make sure the new pairs that I get over the weekend will have everything that they need.
I have come across a few sites that talk about how people should not cross the peach faces with the masks etc... how it is frowned upon and one girl getting in alot of trouble for doing it. Is there a reason?
I know in the Budgie world some people are anti crossing some mutations with others as they may breed smaller birds or dilute the colours or create strange patterns that are not wanted on the show bench is this the same for Love birds?
Are there love bird shows?
Any help would be great, thanks.
Oh and PS I am not planning on breeding these guy for at least a year as they are only 6 months old.
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Post by avinet on Feb 27, 2009 9:27:07 GMT 10
I have come across a few sites that talk about how people should not cross the peach faces with the masks etc... how it is frowned upon and one girl getting in alot of trouble for doing it. Is there a reason? I know in the Budgie world some people are anti crossing some mutations with others as they may breed smaller birds or dilute the colours or create strange patterns that are not wanted on the show bench is this the same for Love birds? Are there love bird shows? It is quite simple. Lovebirds is the name for a group of species, the same as Rosellas is used for a groups of different species. In Australia we have 4 species available. Peachfaces, Masked, Fisher, and Nyassa. Breeding any of these species with each other is hybridising, exactly the same as breeding a Crimson and an Eastern Rosella, or an Elegant with a Scarlet-chested Neophema. In the past, and probably still, there has a lot of hybridisation done deliberately in the lovebirds to bring different colours into each species. These days it is almost impossible to get a pure Mask for instance. So it happens, but if you are against hybridisation then you wouldn't cross the different lovebird species. Budgies are completely different - they are just colour variations of the same species. Some pairings are not done because of the presence of "lethal" genes, but it is all the same species. No different from breeding a spaniel with a poodle dog. Yes there are shows for lovebirds, there is a club in Brisbane which holds shows, and in Sydney as well I believe. Not sure about Melbourne. cheers, Mike |
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Post by robert on Feb 27, 2009 10:55:39 GMT 10
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Post by Karen on Feb 27, 2009 13:37:44 GMT 10
Also there is the issue of breeding mules. I bought a pair of "peachfaces" once & it turned out the hen was part mask and unfortunately for me she was infertile - although on the plus side she was so gorgeous that when she died my mother begged me to get another lovebird as she'd fallen in love with them and wanted a hand raised pet. Now we have Master Sam the monster of the household.  |
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Post by angelicvampyre on Feb 27, 2009 19:08:19 GMT 10
Thanks guys, wow none of the sites that I have been looking at let me know that.
Thanks for the links Robert.
I know that I only really like the masked ones peach faces do nothing for me so that is what i am going to concentrate on breeding if i decide to breed them
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Post by megzly on Feb 27, 2009 20:23:59 GMT 10
Some of the peachface mutations are gorgeous, the cinnamon and opaline varietes come in so many beautiful colours!
I like the masks too though, eventually i hope to own a couple of pairs. I like the violet, blue and dilute blue coloured masks.
Lovies are pretty self sufficient when breeding, if you give them the boxes (i use a couple and let them choose which one theyd rather use) lots of fresh food and things like palmleaves to shred they will pretty much do everything themselves. Make sure you worm them before breeding etc No different than what youd do for anyother bird i guess:)
Everyone else has covered everything else about hybridising. I guess it really is no different that people breeding irn with alex's to get new colours but IMO i think it should be avoided and the strains kept pure:)
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Post by robert on Feb 28, 2009 12:25:18 GMT 10
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Post by angelicvampyre on Mar 1, 2009 18:46:29 GMT 10
thanks for the links all I seem to be doing these days is reading about lovebirds!  |
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Post by Karen on Mar 2, 2009 22:00:54 GMT 10
I've got some books on Lovebirds here that I don't need anymore G, if you want them just pay for postage. The 3 books are just over 600 grams, if I don't include the first book it's just under 500grams and will fit into the smaller parcel post bag.
The 3 I've got are:
Beginners Guide to Lovebirds
Breeding Lovebirds
Lovebirds A complete Pet Owner's Manual
The last 2 come in just under 500 grams.
Let me know if you want them and PM your address.
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Post by crdj81 on Mar 4, 2009 10:36:04 GMT 10
Hi guys,
This one always stirs up controversy. There are people that strongly disagree with crossing any of the lovebird species. In the case of peachfaces and the eyerings (masked, fischer etc) the young are normally infertite so the genes stop with them. But when you breed eyerings they are just as fertile as their parents so they pass on the 'un-pure' genes for generations. The thing we have to remember is that there would be no blue series or violet factors or dark factors in the fisches if some hybridization had not occured. The reason for this is they didn't have the genes to produce the blues. Maybe over time with selective (inbreeding) maybe they would have been produced but the young would have much weaker genes like the blue Gouldian finch, their genes are still very weak. I agree with avinet very hard to get pure birds now days most have been crossed somewhere in their genetic past. What hope is there when they even hybridize in the wild. The best we can do is try to keep them as pure as possible with selective breeding.
I breed all sorts of colours in the masked lovebirds including violet, cobolt, olive albinos and pastels if you have any breeding or genetic questions don't hesitate to ask.
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Post by angelicvampyre on Mar 4, 2009 14:16:12 GMT 10
Oh where are you located? I want to get some more and have some fun breeding the masks.
Birdcrazy - SNAP I picked up those three and another two bird books at a second hand book sale through the petshop that I go to. Thanks for the offer however.
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Post by AussieBirds on Apr 23, 2009 14:36:13 GMT 10
Some time ago I purchased 4 peachface , supposedly 2 pair, three of these birds were that pale green with the blue rump that you get in Peachface the 4th one was the normal green peachface colour, or so I thought, I was pretty keen to have them start breeding and was assured they were breeding age as it turned out I had one pair and the other two were cockbirds, one of the cockbirds was the one that was "normal" peachface colour, I managed to get hold of a normal hen and put her in the aviary she immediately showed all the characteristics of a hen and started to build a nest and mated with the other "normal" coloured cock she has laid 4 eggs and is sitting on them.
Good work you say!!!!! well let me tell you the rest of the story, my "normal" cockbird is a cross between a fischer and a peachface he has a black head and a different coloured beak to the hen, I didn't take any notice when i bought him but it is obvious when you get the cock and hen together.
My question is what are the chances of the eggs being infertile? and if they do hatch what are the chances of the babies being mules, will the babies be green as both parents are?
John
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Post by linda040899 on Apr 24, 2009 10:35:13 GMT 10
Your cockbird is a mule so he is incapable of helping to produce offspring. Eye-ring x eye-ring hybrids are very capable of reproducing but eye-ring x Peachfaced are not. If you want babies from the hen, split the pair and give her another mate.
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Post by AussieBirds on Apr 24, 2009 14:28:22 GMT 10
Your cockbird is a mule so he is incapable of helping to produce offspring. Eye-ring x eye-ring hybrids are very capable of reproducing but eye-ring x Peachfaced are not. If you want babies from the hen, split the pair and give her another mate. Thanks Linda, just my luck oh well back to the drawing board. John |
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Post by angelicvampyre on Apr 25, 2009 22:49:54 GMT 10
KNow that feeling bought a bunch of birds and they are all frelling males! so now have to sell over half my stock and start again! |
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