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Post by conureowner1 on Nov 2, 2009 12:54:40 GMT 10
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Post by conureowner1 on Nov 2, 2009 13:00:28 GMT 10
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Post by kebz on Nov 2, 2009 14:34:06 GMT 10
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Post by sypher on Nov 2, 2009 19:03:07 GMT 10
Have you found an eclectus already?
Shaun
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Post by conureowner1 on Nov 2, 2009 19:17:01 GMT 10
Have you found an eclectus already? Shaun No Shaun i'm researching cages and the eclectus parrot and also researching breeders. I'm taking my time i don't really plan on getting one till next year some time. |
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Post by vankarhi on Nov 2, 2009 20:23:04 GMT 10
I have the second one for Erik and it is great size for him.
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Post by Lewis on Nov 2, 2009 21:41:30 GMT 10
yes im with kebz here you cant afford the pellets yet you cna afford a 900 dollar bird that needs more expenisive pellets then you sun conure and cant just live of pellets or seed they need lots of fruit and veges which are very expensive becaus eof the fruits they need
i dont get it ?
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Post by conureowner1 on Nov 2, 2009 22:25:04 GMT 10
I'm really getting sick of this pellet bloody debate if pellets are all that then why did 2 of my birds didn't do well on them, One was weaned onto pellets and had problems lack of energy,really tired,smelly,sloopy poo. I don't see wild parrots walking up to peoples doors with a bowl asking for pellets. The only reason why wild parrots don't live as long as captive ones is cause they have predators, and have to search for there food. How many times do i have to say my birds eat more fruit and veggies then they do seed. Like cheekybird said eclectus parrots are very senstive too much vitamins minerals can cause plucking. Actually come to think of Bailey was over preening when on the pellets which could lend to plucking, he was also scratching alot more,pooing alot more. Now cause his eatting seed all these problems are going away.
Why not just say it only people who earn like $1000 a week should own birds, I've talked to a few breeders who breed eclectus parrots they have said they don't need anything fancy eg cooked meals everyday. They said as long as they get plenty of fresh fruit and veggies daily specially veggies that are high in vitamin A they would thrive. They also said to refill there veggie bowls and fruit when ever there empty till bed time then remove all uneaten food. I mainly have seed in there cages if they feel like eatting some they can. All my birds go straight for there veggie bowl when i put them in and will not touch much seed when theres veggies to be eatten. My MoJo,Maya and Aqua have never had a medical problem since day 1 of owning them. They have only been to the vet once for a check up and the vet said there compltetey healthy and said there feathers are in prefect condition. He said Aqua is the best quaker his seen in a long time the ones his seen have very rough dull feathers and were starting to pluck. You do know quakers are known for being pluckers specially if on a bad diet,boredom etc my Aqua is in prefect feather condition so his diet must be working for him. If your not happy with the diet i feed don't bother bringing this up i asked about cages not food. I would not like to hear about pellet debates anymore,pellets do not work well for my birds or for me.
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Post by kebz on Nov 3, 2009 0:17:49 GMT 10
The point of the "pellet" comment was the fact you complained about not being able to afford to pay lots of money for pellets when you could buy SEED cheaper.
Now Eclectus cost a lot of money to buy, yet alone feed. So im just confused as to where this extra money is going to come from when you said in previous posts that you didnt have a lot of money to waste on pellets.
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Post by madaussie on Nov 3, 2009 7:20:45 GMT 10
;DOk big bird says play nice no need to pick at each other ;D
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Post by conureowner1 on Nov 3, 2009 8:21:06 GMT 10
frsh fruit and veggies are way more healthier then those stupid pellets. Glad you belive what they write on the packet. I surpose if maccas put on there packaging compltete diet healthier then salad you would believe it too.
LIKE I SAID MY BIRDS EAT MAINLY FRESH FRUIT AND VEGGIES SO GET OVER YOURSELF KEBZ AND STOP TRYING TO THROW PELLETS DOWN EVERYONES THROATS.
thanks Tracey for your help you and shaun are the only ones that didn't seem to play the picking game. Just cause i choose not to feed pellets doesn't mean i can't afford to feed a eclectus or any bird for that matter. Kebz your making out that pellets are what eckies need the most which is wrong they need more fruit and veggies then seed or pellets.
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Post by kebz on Nov 3, 2009 9:07:03 GMT 10
I never said that - the point of that comment was that you wrote in previous threads that you COULDNT afford to buy PELLETS for your birds - So how can you afford an ECLECTUS. They are much bigger birds and shouldnt be fed seed at all (and this doesnt mean im saying they should be fed pellets either, just to make it clear). 90% of their diet needs to be fresh fruit/vege. And they arent cheap to take to the vet too - and should be taken to an Avian vet rather than some guy who vaguely knows something about birds.
So how about you get over yourself and maybe listen to other peoples opinions. Your not always going to hear something you like so deal with it.
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Post by Robyn on Nov 3, 2009 10:24:25 GMT 10
Well this is all so very unfair as Conureowner only asked about the size cage an Eclectus needs. Talk about off topic.
This is a friendly forum for new members to get helpful advice from knowledgeable members. So guys as BigBird said play nice.
As far as whether or not anyone can afford any Parrot for that matter should be up to the person buying the bird & not be criticized because they commented on the price of pellets.
Robyn.
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Post by kebz on Nov 3, 2009 12:41:05 GMT 10
This was taken from: pet-birds.suite101.com/article.cfm/eclectus_parrots_as_petsCaging Requirements for Eclectus Parrots Eclectus parrots are large birds and require a large cage. In general, a single Eclectus parrot can be housed comfortably in a cage that is approximately 36” by 36” by 36”. Most so-called “parrot cages” on the market are far too small for an Eclectus. Bar spacing should be between 3/4” and 1” to allow climbing without the risk of injury, and the bars should be made of a strong material that can withstand chewing. Powder-coated wrought iron and stainless steel cages are good choices for Eclectus parrots. |
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Post by Robyn on Nov 3, 2009 12:55:49 GMT 10
Thanks Kebz but already PM'D Conureowner on the requirements needed along with a heap of other info she will need should & when she has decided to buy an eckie.
Robyn.
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Post by Laraine on Nov 3, 2009 13:09:56 GMT 10
Come on now Kebz, I don't know what the problem is, but this is a "Friendly Forum". It is no ones business what someone is prepared to pay for bird food.
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Post by sypher on Nov 3, 2009 15:43:00 GMT 10
Wow this got a bit off topic since I last looked. Since it was brought up, and I was mentioned, I will add my opinion.
I am with you conureowner on the Pellet debate. I do believe they are a good product depending on brand etc. but I have NEVER fed pellets to my birds for a few reasons.
The first is the same as Conureowner..PRICE. I have alot of birds to feed so price does come into play for me also. I am not sure of conureowners personal predicament, but I would also say I could not afford to feed pellets to my birds, and have an ok income.
The second is I would rather feed fresh fruit and veges daily as I believe no pellet diet can cover the dietry requirements of what feeding a natural, varied diet can. All parrot species have different requirements so how can pellets cover all species? I realise there are different pellets available, but they still cover a broad range.
The third is that when I sell a bird, alot of the time it is to somebody who has never even heard of pellets, so you end up with a problem down the line if the bird was given a pelleted diet. I always ask breeders what they feed their birds before I buy them. I am yet to buy a pellet fed bird. (not that I wouldnt, it just hasnt occured yet) I would then "wean" the bird to a diet that I feed here.
This is just MY opinion. I am in no way opposed to feeding pellets, and may even do so in the future, but believe nothing can substitute a fresh and varied diet. As for supplements.....Who wants to go there??
Hopefully this will be the end of it, as Conureowner has asked about cage size for a particular bird, and not what she can and cant afford.
Shaun
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Post by Laraine on Nov 3, 2009 15:52:59 GMT 10
Well said Shaun.
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Post by Robyn on Nov 3, 2009 16:09:13 GMT 10
DITTO!!!!!
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Post by vankarhi on Nov 3, 2009 19:35:14 GMT 10
phew glad you got to this one Robyn  I only just saw it now. Ok firstly as most of you know I don't think pellets are the be all and end all for birds either. I also have to wonder if pellets are just an added "expense" which is actually what I believe Conure1 (sorry probably got it wrong) was meaning. Not that she couldn't actually afford them. I for one have given in to peer pressure.....yes I have.......I got sick and tired of feeling guilty every time this topic came up and felt I was not doing the right thing by my birds.....I have not recieved them yet and am not even too sure if they will eat them. I am sure some will eat them. I do not plan on them being a major part of my birds diets but thought maybe it might be nice as an added treat of something different to eat/taste. Yes ekkies can be expensive to buy, to cage, to buy toys for and to feed. Yes they do require a more specialised diet high in vitaman A ...... yellow, red, orangey coloured fruit and veges. They should not be on a mostly seed or pellet diet.....but my birds do not have a problem with seed in their diet (since taking them off vitamin enriched seeds). Yes they are more prone to toe tap and wing flip ....... and no you do not need to earn $1000 per week to keep an eclectus  ;D but gee it would make for being able to spoil birds more lol Ok I frankly am sick and tired of reading and hearing about pellets.......... this thread was just someone asking for help about the size of a cage for an eclectus that she "might" be buying next year. Thanks Robyn for putting things back into perspective. Oh and as far as ekkies are concerned they do need to have a mostly fresh food diet. Most of us try to give them cooked food and sprouts as well as the various other things we buy for them to eat.....for many reasons, one is so they get variety and do not get sick of eating the same food. Another is so that hopefully they get all the necessary vitamins they need. If you do not feed the ekkie properly it will more than likely develop "problems". Sorry for the rant guys |
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I only just saw it now.
;D but gee it would make for being able to spoil birds more lol